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What the interns have wrought, 2023 edition

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Re: What the interns have wrought, 2023 edition

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Still fondly remember seeing the Jane Street intern post where someone implemented TCP/IP: https://blog.janestreet.com/what-the-interns-have-wrought-20... What a cool project that must have been.

I might actually care about programming again if I had the chance to work on things like that. Very cool, from an intern at that!

Re: What the interns have wrought, 2023 edition

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Great article, one I wait for yearly. Relatedly - how do others deal with being objectively inferior, in basically every way, to the types of people that work at Jane Street? It always irks me that they end each of these articles with a recruiting pitch, as if most of us would ever be good enough to even get an interview, much less get an offer.

Copying a comment of user cperciva from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8411614 : > more than once I was approached by people who wanted me to help implement their projects. But I have always refused just because I think I'm not good enough. [...] have you ever done that? Absolutely. I'd say that 90% of the time that I've been offered consulting work, I've turned it down because I know it would require some skil…

How do you find a niche though. I can definitely go looking at jobs and find things that intrigue me, but they’re so rare, that if I waste my time trying to specialize, there will be no jobs by the time I’m “good enough”. I find it incredibly rare to see specialized work that isn’t very senior.

Most niches seem accidental, and most people I know who are highly skilled in a particular one are there solely because they were in the right place and the right, narrow time.

Re: What the interns have wrought, 2023 edition

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Great article, one I wait for yearly. Relatedly - how do others deal with being objectively inferior, in basically every way, to the types of people that work at Jane Street? It always irks me that they end each of these articles with a recruiting pitch, as if most of us would ever be good enough to even get an interview, much less get an offer.

I have the same feeling. I just have to fight every once a while.

Re: What the interns have wrought, 2023 edition

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Great article, one I wait for yearly. Relatedly - how do others deal with being objectively inferior, in basically every way, to the types of people that work at Jane Street? It always irks me that they end each of these articles with a recruiting pitch, as if most of us would ever be good enough to even get an interview, much less get an offer.

The best minds of my generation are thinking about how to make money off the next financial crisis.

Re: What the interns have wrought, 2023 edition

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

“objectively inferior” is rare if it happens at all. Maybe you’re resume will never be good enough in Jane Street’s eyes to get an interview, but unless you also write fintech in OCaml, I bet you’re better than the interns at some niche in software development. These are young interns too. If you’re a senior dev, after a few months of learning OCaml and the popular open-source Jane Street libraries, you maybecould im…

I dunno, 2 of these are at top CS schools that I can't get into, and most of their intern class is from Harvard/CMU/MIT/Stanford/Waterloo and the like. I think I might actually just be objectively inferior in all regards, not just technical or in software. I've got ~5 years of full time experience, I make decent to good money (though I don't think most people on HN would agree lol) but I'm skeptical I could build the…

I think you should talk to a professional therapist.

> I make decent to good money (though I don't think most people on HN would agree lol)

Actually, HN might. HN is not exactly high compensation chasing.

Re: What the interns have wrought, 2023 edition

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I dunno, 2 of these are at top CS schools that I can't get into, and most of their intern class is from Harvard/CMU/MIT/Stanford/Waterloo and the like. I think I might actually just be objectively inferior in all regards, not just technical or in software. I've got ~5 years of full time experience, I make decent to good money (though I don't think most people on HN would agree lol) but I'm skeptical I could build the…

I think you should talk to a professional therapist. > I make decent to good money (though I don't think most people on HN would agree lol) Actually, HN might. HN is not exactly high compensation chasing.

HN often confuses $300k for low-end-of-normal for early-career US software devs in general, when it’s above most seniors and leads at most employers. You don’t hit that territory until you’re a manager-of-tech-managers, outside the smallish third hump of the trimodal dev compensation graph.

My pay’s almost 3x median household income in my medium-sized US city, but is pathetic compared to what I see thrown around regularly as examples of lowish pay on HN.

Re: What the interns have wrought, 2023 edition

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Great article, one I wait for yearly. Relatedly - how do others deal with being objectively inferior, in basically every way, to the types of people that work at Jane Street? It always irks me that they end each of these articles with a recruiting pitch, as if most of us would ever be good enough to even get an interview, much less get an offer.

Lots of people get into places like Jane Street because they hustle and aren't necessarily any smarter than you.

Sometimes feelings of inferiority like this are just a backdoor way to avoid having to put in that work.

Re: What the interns have wrought, 2023 edition

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Great article, one I wait for yearly. Relatedly - how do others deal with being objectively inferior, in basically every way, to the types of people that work at Jane Street? It always irks me that they end each of these articles with a recruiting pitch, as if most of us would ever be good enough to even get an interview, much less get an offer.

There is always someone with something, for example talent or opportunity, that you don’t have or can’t have. I guess I was lucky to come to terms with “life’s no fair” at a young age.

That doesn’t mean I’m defeatist, I’m a very driven person, but it does allow me to be more realistic without becoming demotivated.

Re: What the interns have wrought, 2023 edition

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

“objectively inferior” is rare if it happens at all. Maybe you’re resume will never be good enough in Jane Street’s eyes to get an interview, but unless you also write fintech in OCaml, I bet you’re better than the interns at some niche in software development. These are young interns too. If you’re a senior dev, after a few months of learning OCaml and the popular open-source Jane Street libraries, you maybecould im…

I dunno, 2 of these are at top CS schools that I can't get into, and most of their intern class is from Harvard/CMU/MIT/Stanford/Waterloo and the like. I think I might actually just be objectively inferior in all regards, not just technical or in software. I've got ~5 years of full time experience, I make decent to good money (though I don't think most people on HN would agree lol) but I'm skeptical I could build the…

I’m surprised you put some much value in one gate that you didn’t pass through.
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