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Co-founder of DeepMind on how AI threatens to reshape life as we know it

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Re: Co-founder of DeepMind on how AI threatens to reshape life as we know it

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Post by waihtis »

ml-anon wrote: post #26

Its wild that a guy who was demoted and fired for bullying and abusing staff over the course of a decade as well as overseeing almost certainly illegal misuse of NHS patient data that caused Google to shut down DM health and made the landscape so toxic they eventually shuttered Google Health still has a seat at the table. I'd say shame on The Guardian for this breathless puff piece but...its The Guardian.

99% of journalists are decelerationists & care little of anything else except promoting certain ideals that resonate to them. Suleyman is playing them excellently given that all he wants is massive entry barriers to any AI development.

Re: Co-founder of DeepMind on how AI threatens to reshape life as we know it

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Post by FirmwareBurner »

joncrocks wrote: post #30
FirmwareBurner wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>AI risk is a spectacularization of a new source of wealth Only if society allows the use of AIs that have been trained on content for which they didn't have the legal rights to use for that purpose (basically theft).

What legal rights are currently required for training on data? (As opposed to precise-reproduction in output, covered by copyright)

Some of the big AI LLMs of today have been trained on content from Twitter, Reddit, Quora, probably HN as well, and even more shockingly on individual artists' artwork and pirated books from libgen without their owners' and IP holders' permission. How is that not theft?

Re: Co-founder of DeepMind on how AI threatens to reshape life as we know it

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Post by Frannyies »

FirmwareBurner wrote: post #24
Frannyies wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Let's see. Currently out poor have it better than kings 200 years ago. (At least in Germany) I don't say this is fair just that it's easier for a society to increase the base level for everyone

>Currently out poor have it better than kings 200 years ago. (At least in Germany) Only if you look at medical and technical advancements, but objectively, kings in Germany had the amount of land and real estate that the modern German can only dream of. Sure, we have iPhones and Netflix which kings didn't have, but they had the valuable apprecaible assets the we don't have.

And?

You still have more food choices and proper entertainment.

It's warm when you go to the toilet at night.

We even have the trend of people transforming their garden into stone garden due to the effort.

What's the benefit of those assets really?

Re: Co-founder of DeepMind on how AI threatens to reshape life as we know it

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Post by throw_pm23 »

jazzyjackson wrote: post #13

AI risk is a spectacularization of a new source of wealth When agriculture and then fossil fuels + supercharged agriculture with petro-fertilizer allowed humanity to become 100x more productive, the owners of the land & capital managed to capture the gains almost entirely, leaving the proletariat powerless except for their labor, and still struggling to survive despite the enormous windfall in energy Now that AI is o…

How will it produce wealth?

Re: Co-founder of DeepMind on how AI threatens to reshape life as we know it

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Post by FirmwareBurner »

Frannyies wrote: post #33
FirmwareBurner wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Currently out poor have it better than kings 200 years ago. (At least in Germany) Only if you look at medical and technical advancements, but objectively, kings in Germany had the amount of land and real estate that the modern German can only dream of. Sure, we have iPhones and Netflix which kings didn't have, but they had the valuable apprecaible assets the we don't have.

And? You still have more food choices and proper entertainment. It's warm when you go to the toilet at night. We even have the trend of people transforming their garden into stone garden due to the effort. What's the benefit of those assets really?

>What's the benefit of those assets really?

Not queuing with 100 people to visit a moldy overpriced Berlin apartment. Not worried about your retirement, if your pension will be enough to pay for your rent when you're 80. That's what assets are good for. Having Spotify doesn't make up for that.

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Post by spacephysics »

FirmwareBurner wrote: post #24
Frannyies wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Let's see. Currently out poor have it better than kings 200 years ago. (At least in Germany) I don't say this is fair just that it's easier for a society to increase the base level for everyone

>Currently out poor have it better than kings 200 years ago. (At least in Germany) Only if you look at medical and technical advancements, but objectively, kings in Germany had the amount of land and real estate that the modern German can only dream of. Sure, we have iPhones and Netflix which kings didn't have, but they had the valuable apprecaible assets the we don't have.

Yeah I think the argument is more so the base level rises dramatically higher.

I’d gather to say at least better than most nobility, if we’re just judging on land.

Then again, I do love c-sections to reduce mother and infant mortality, birth control, and antibiotics. I’d say those alone are better than any king/queen had access to in the past

Re: Co-founder of DeepMind on how AI threatens to reshape life as we know it

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Post by realo »

FirmwareBurner wrote: post #32
joncrocks wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What legal rights are currently required for training on data? (As opposed to precise-reproduction in output, covered by copyright)

Some of the big AI LLMs of today have been trained on content from Twitter, Reddit, Quora, probably HN as well, and even more shockingly on individual artists' artwork and pirated books from libgen without their owners' and IP holders' permission. How is that not theft?

Anything I (a human) can listen to or look at publicly for free is free game AFAIK.

The sum of all this becomes my "experience of life", and I can draw upon that knowledge to create new stuff.

The only difference between an AI and me is speed and capability to remember.

So ... does the act of reading HN become theft just because it is done by a non-human, with inhuman efficiency?

Personally I don't think so.

We could continue the conversation with a debate about whether or not the AI's outputs (creations) should be restricted (legally) in the same way as a human...

Re: Co-founder of DeepMind on how AI threatens to reshape life as we know it

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Post by dannyobrien »

FirmwareBurner wrote: post #35
Frannyies wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And? You still have more food choices and proper entertainment. It's warm when you go to the toilet at night. We even have the trend of people transforming their garden into stone garden due to the effort. What's the benefit of those assets really?

>What's the benefit of those assets really? Not queuing with 100 people to visit a moldy overpriced Berlin apartment. Not worried about your retirement, if your pension will be enough to pay for your rent when you're 80. That's what assets are good for. Having Spotify doesn't make up for that.

on the other hand, you have less worries about the closest 100 people in your world poisoning you to get hold of your mouldy cold castle. and actually having a retirement.

Re: Co-founder of DeepMind on how AI threatens to reshape life as we know it

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Post by ryanklee »

throw_pm23 wrote: post #34
jazzyjackson wrote: post #13

AI risk is a spectacularization of a new source of wealth When agriculture and then fossil fuels + supercharged agriculture with petro-fertilizer allowed humanity to become 100x more productive, the owners of the land & capital managed to capture the gains almost entirely, leaving the proletariat powerless except for their labor, and still struggling to survive despite the enormous windfall in energy Now that AI is o…

How will it produce wealth?

By selling people products based on AI risk.

Re: Co-founder of DeepMind on how AI threatens to reshape life as we know it

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Post by nico »

Frannyies wrote: post #22
jazzyjackson wrote: post #13

AI risk is a spectacularization of a new source of wealth When agriculture and then fossil fuels + supercharged agriculture with petro-fertilizer allowed humanity to become 100x more productive, the owners of the land & capital managed to capture the gains almost entirely, leaving the proletariat powerless except for their labor, and still struggling to survive despite the enormous windfall in energy Now that AI is o…

Let's see. Currently out poor have it better than kings 200 years ago. (At least in Germany) I don't say this is fair just that it's easier for a society to increase the base level for everyone

The issue is that well-being is relative and subjective

You can’t “objectively” look back and say people “have it better” now

Sure, you can look at all sorts of data and metrics, but that doesn’t mean people feel like they are better off now, which is what matters in the end

So the real question we should be trying to answer is: are people feeling better now than how they felt 200 years ago?

We could talk about it forever, but ultimately, it’s impossible to know

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