Perhaps we're also measuring temps more than ever with greater data collection.
Are you saying that larger sample sizes lead to greater variance in results? Because I don’t think statistics usually works that way.
Northern summer was hottest on record by a significant margin
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Re: Northern summer was hottest on record by a significant margin
#32Earlier quoted context omitted.
So the solution would be to continue emitting greenhouse gases and ensure it will also get worse in 30 or 50 years? > The best time to plant a tree was 20 years ago, the second best time is now. Said to be a Chinese proverb, but I haven't extensively verified. The only viable solution right now to combat global warming is to immediately stop emitting greenhouse gases, even if there is a lag effect.
> Said to be a Chinese proverb Unlikely, cf. https://quoteinvestigator.com/2021/12/29/plant-tree/ There's an old Chinese proverb for this, it goes "most of the time it's not a Chinese proverb". Ah, words of sages, the wisdom of ages.
I guessed as much, but I wasn't able to confirm. Thanks for the search.
Re: Northern summer was hottest on record by a significant margin
#33Perhaps we're also measuring temps more than ever with greater data collection.
That wouldn't skew the resulting average/mean that much, it would just be less accurate for specific localities...
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#34I just heard about a jump in atmospheric methane that is not understood.
The oil/gas industry has made some progress to curtail methane emissions so we don't think it is that gang.
I wonder about millions of tons of frozen ancient vegetation in Canada and Russia beginning to rot. ?
One idea is that we have hit the true "terminus" point of the past ice age and temperatures will rise rapidly over the next few decades and then stabilize at the new "normal".
Human CO2 might have pushed temps up but this could be much bigger than we expected.
https://theconversation.com/rising-methane-could-be-a-sign-t...
Re: Northern summer was hottest on record by a significant margin
#35> Burgess said the summer had been one of tumbling records and it would only get worse if the world continues to burn planet-heating fossil fuels. It would get worse even if we stopped burning fossil fuels immediately. Because of lag effects, tipping points, and masking.
So we shouldn't do anything at all?
Is that the option that comes to mind when presented with the facts?
That's your reaction. Not mine. Who am I to tell people what to do or not do?
You could just as easily have read what I said and thought: "So we need to prepare for something even worse no matter what, and we also need to act much more aggressively than we are!"
Re: Northern summer was hottest on record by a significant margin
#36(records began 80 years ago)
Check out ice cores.
Re: Northern summer was hottest on record by a significant margin
#37I just heard about a jump in atmospheric methane that is not understood. The oil/gas industry has made some progress to curtail methane emissions so we don't think it is that gang. I wonder about millions of tons of frozen ancient vegetation in Canada and Russia beginning to rot. ? One idea is that we have hit the true "terminus" point of the past ice age and temperatures will rise rapidly over the next few decades a…
> The oil/gas industry has made some progress to curtail methane emissions so we don't think it is that gang.
I don't know if we can reach that conclusion. It's been discovered, in Canada at least, that O&G is vastly under-reporting its methane production. I imagine other areas of the world might be even worse.
https://www.ctvnews.ca/climate-and-environment/30-40-per-cen...
Re: Northern summer was hottest on record by a significant margin
#38(records began 80 years ago)
Re: Northern summer was hottest on record by a significant margin
#39Earlier quoted context omitted.
So the solution would be to continue emitting greenhouse gases and ensure it will also get worse in 30 or 50 years? > The best time to plant a tree was 20 years ago, the second best time is now. Said to be a Chinese proverb, but I haven't extensively verified. The only viable solution right now to combat global warming is to immediately stop emitting greenhouse gases, even if there is a lag effect.
> Said to be a Chinese proverb Unlikely, cf. https://quoteinvestigator.com/2021/12/29/plant-tree/ There's an old Chinese proverb for this, it goes "most of the time it's not a Chinese proverb". Ah, words of sages, the wisdom of ages.
Thank you for pointing this out! I have quite a few Chinese friends and they never cease to be entertained by the long list of "Chinese" proverbs that American's claim to know.
It turns out that since for most of Western history China was synonymous with the "mysterious far east", it become common practice to just tack on "Chinese" to the origin of any saying to let it exotic credibility.
Unsurprisingly "May you live in interesting times" is not a Chinese curse.
Re: Northern summer was hottest on record by a significant margin
#40Earlier quoted context omitted.
So the solution would be to continue emitting greenhouse gases and ensure it will also get worse in 30 or 50 years? > The best time to plant a tree was 20 years ago, the second best time is now. Said to be a Chinese proverb, but I haven't extensively verified. The only viable solution right now to combat global warming is to immediately stop emitting greenhouse gases, even if there is a lag effect.
Immediately stopping all greenhouse gas emissions would kill a lot of people quickly by breaking supply and production chains for pretty much everything. So that is not an option.
It would also result in a near immediate (weeks) increase in global average temperature due to the reduction in aerosol masking.
People like to fixate on a simple correction that they can work toward (more often just talk about), but the situation is not simple. And I don't think people should be making statements that suggest there is a simple solution at this point.