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Norway court rules against Facebook owner Meta in privacy case

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Re: Norway court rules against Facebook owner Meta in privacy case

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Post by uncletammy »

noselasd wrote: post #26
konschubert wrote: post #2

I understand that what these companies are doing is illegal, and thus the court ruled correctly. But I cannot help but wonder if we, the public, are really focusing on the right thing here? Is "companies are using your reading history to target ads" really the same level of dangerous as "your government wants to read all your messages"? Why is the EU regulating privacy topics to the point were we no longer have acces…

> "companies are using your reading history to target ads" Keep in mind that this is also: * "Companies are using your reading history to build a profile of you, including political stance, age, gender, location, religion, group affiliations, network of people you know" and a host of other things. This data is then used to target ads and campains. This is no big deal if it's trying to push you to buy a bit more Mount…

> * "Companies are using your reading history to build a profile of you, including political stance, age, gender, location, religion, group affiliations, network of people you know"

... to then sell that profile to your government, legally.

Re: Norway court rules against Facebook owner Meta in privacy case

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Post by throwaw12 »

konschubert wrote: post #2

I understand that what these companies are doing is illegal, and thus the court ruled correctly. But I cannot help but wonder if we, the public, are really focusing on the right thing here? Is "companies are using your reading history to target ads" really the same level of dangerous as "your government wants to read all your messages"? Why is the EU regulating privacy topics to the point were we no longer have acces…

> And not spend so much of our time worrying about Facebook targeting me with ads for iPhones, because they know I am in the markt for an iPhone. That's pretty meh.

Let me reverse the question, why anyone is able to target me without me asking for it? why anyone is using my data to do anything without me getting any benefit from it?

Re: Norway court rules against Facebook owner Meta in privacy case

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Post by [deleted] »

Mordisquitos wrote: post #18

> Meta told a two-day court hearing in August it had already committed to ask for consent from users and that Datatilsynet used an "expedited process" that was unnecessary and did not give the company enough time to answer. So, in other words, Meta is complaining that Datatilsynet moved fast and broke things. Interesting.

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Re: Norway court rules against Facebook owner Meta in privacy case

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Post by cccbbbaaa »

alipang wrote: post #14
auveair wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Why is the EU regulating privacy topics to the point were we no longer have access to certain social media products, while they are also pushing for backdoors into private messengers? Backdoors are from national governments (Macron in France, Sunak in UK). Privacy stuff is usually from the EU parliament, elected by people proportionally but cannot propose laws, only vote on them.

No? https://www.computerweekly.com/news/366537312/Chat-control-E...

And, as the article says, this proposal is likely to be illegal under the ECHR and the CFREU.

Re: Norway court rules against Facebook owner Meta in privacy case

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Post by souvic »

I think, most of the companies do that. And they are actually clueless what they can do, what data can be taken without being litigated. A global consensus may be a great thing for startups not having to worry about data laws focusing more on building the product. Will be good for EU Economy too.

Global Consensus on these laws or a scanner app letting the startup owner know what you have unwillingly violated is highly wanted.

Re: Norway court rules against Facebook owner Meta in privacy case

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Post by glimshe »

konschubert wrote: post #2

I understand that what these companies are doing is illegal, and thus the court ruled correctly. But I cannot help but wonder if we, the public, are really focusing on the right thing here? Is "companies are using your reading history to target ads" really the same level of dangerous as "your government wants to read all your messages"? Why is the EU regulating privacy topics to the point were we no longer have acces…

The danger of them having this data is just too great. It's too much concentration of power.

Would you trust the government with your voting preferences? Meta can know that with extremely high confidence based on the articles you read, people you follow etc. And while I'm not particularly trusting of the government, I'm even less trusting of zero-accountability, billionaire-led, Meta.

Imagine the potential for abuse if this data is in practice usable by large interest groups that want to strongly influence your behavior. Oh, wait a min! This data is usable today by these groups for ads targeting!

Re: Norway court rules against Facebook owner Meta in privacy case

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Post by josefx »

konschubert wrote: post #23
hulitu wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Is "companies are using your reading history to target ads" really the same level of dangerous as "your government wants to read all your messages"? Yes. Because the line between companies and government is very thin. (government has access to those companie's data, more or less legaly).

But these companies do not collect chat data. Whatsapp is end to end encrypted. It is my government who wants to break that encryption.

Except from what I can find WhatsApp seems to have an automated content moderation system that will automatically flag and forward messages to Meta for review. So the ability to bypass that encryption is already hardwired into the app.

Re: Norway court rules against Facebook owner Meta in privacy case

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Post by isodev »

souvic wrote: post #36

I think, most of the companies do that. And they are actually clueless what they can do, what data can be taken without being litigated. A global consensus may be a great thing for startups not having to worry about data laws focusing more on building the product. Will be good for EU Economy too. Global Consensus on these laws or a scanner app letting the startup owner know what you have unwillingly violated is highl…

It’s absurd how so many popular online services make it impossible to escape ad farms. I think the consensus is that data collection for the purpose of advertising or behavioural targeting is only possible after a very informed opt-in.

Re: Norway court rules against Facebook owner Meta in privacy case

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Post by coldpie »

rvz wrote: post #4

Good. Now do TikTok since we all know that is just as bad as Meta for their privacy violations as well.

Is it? Does Tiktok track everything you do across the entire Internet, like Facebook and Google do? They might, I don't know, but I haven't seen "tiktok.com" in my NoScript list on 90% of websites like I have FB and Google.
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