Important topic, absolute garbage article. It's more fiction than facts and 1. on hn ofc because the headline sounded nice. I get the intention of exaggerated fiction and landing on what is happening now or before but that's propaganda 101...FUD at its best. Disgusting.
The boiling frog of digital freedom
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Re: The boiling frog of digital freedom
#32And it will keep getting worse as long as the majority of the population lack proper core values to oppose it.
This is the core problem. A person should be able to refuse attempts once he understands the goal. The problem is not technology, but the obfuscation through it (and privacy policies, lobbying).
Re: The boiling frog of digital freedom
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I agree. This website seems like a campaign to show that "apocalypse" is coming.
Re: The boiling frog of digital freedom
#34There is one interesting force acting against that though (or it would probably already have happened). It is the simple fact that most people that are competent enough to actually implement these things also understand the problems with doing so. For the most part anyway. If we could just agree to not do that... well, what are "they" going to do? And of course: we owe it to the web to use Firefox. The Chrome clones…
Yeah, chrome and google in general are the first in line to cause problems. There are many browsers, many apps, many everything... you can switch whenever... but the DRM and attestation pushes with browsers (and mobile devices) means, that sure, you can use a different browser, but your bank, your streaming service, your newssite might not work unless you're using chrome with drm and hardware attestation. This is alr…
Then switch from these services while they are still only a few. Revenue is a language they understand. I never understood why anyone would even want a banking app though; there is nothing int can do that a website can't.
The browser war can at least still be won or settled; mainstream apps are a lost cause outside the legal arena.
Edit: and by switching i don't mean going to some tinfoil grayweb nonsense. Go to their direct competitor.
Re: The boiling frog of digital freedom
#35Earlier quoted context omitted.
> The Stallman movement failed Citation needed
How many applications, phones, computers do people use that are Stallman compliant?
Ideological(ish) movements don't succeed by converting everyone absolutely, they do it by changing the narrative in their direction. Stallman has absolutely done that.
Re: The boiling frog of digital freedom
#36This rather heavily begs the question what do we mean by "freedom"? We don't mean anonymity. Acting in secret is not freedom - acting openly and not being persecuted or prosecuted is freedom. The solution is what it is in real offline life. A regulated legal framework that allows most and limits little, a open dynamic culture that accepts diversity and constant change. If we are worried that digital freedom will be t…
It’s an important question because “digital freedom” tends to be code for “I want the Internet like how it was when I was younger”, and then throw in some stuff about jailbreaking iPhones or whatever for good measure.
I want to be able to use the Os I want on the computer I want, with the browser I want to be able to connect to my bank and my government websites.
As banks and governments move critical parts of their working online, it becomes harder to not use their online tools. If I'm not free to use the tools I want to do so, my freedoms were infringed.
Re: The boiling frog of digital freedom
#37Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yeah, chrome and google in general are the first in line to cause problems. There are many browsers, many apps, many everything... you can switch whenever... but the DRM and attestation pushes with browsers (and mobile devices) means, that sure, you can use a different browser, but your bank, your streaming service, your newssite might not work unless you're using chrome with drm and hardware attestation. This is alr…
Then switch from these services while they are still only a few. Revenue is a language they understand. I never understood why anyone would even want a banking app though; there is nothing int can do that a website can't. The browser war can at least still be won or settled; mainstream apps are a lost cause outside the legal arena. Edit: and by switching i don't mean going to some tinfoil grayweb nonsense. Go to thei…
The banking system does not care.
The banks don't need your money.
Re: The boiling frog of digital freedom
#38It's an urban myth that the frog will stay in the water to be boiled, it actually jumps out. Unless of course there's a lid on the pot.
Humans have a lot to learn from the frog. And it's not about putting lids on pots.
Re: The boiling frog of digital freedom
#39There is one interesting force acting against that though (or it would probably already have happened). It is the simple fact that most people that are competent enough to actually implement these things also understand the problems with doing so. For the most part anyway. If we could just agree to not do that... well, what are "they" going to do? And of course: we owe it to the web to use Firefox. The Chrome clones…
What about Safari too?
Re: The boiling frog of digital freedom
#40This rather heavily begs the question what do we mean by "freedom"? We don't mean anonymity. Acting in secret is not freedom - acting openly and not being persecuted or prosecuted is freedom. The solution is what it is in real offline life. A regulated legal framework that allows most and limits little, a open dynamic culture that accepts diversity and constant change. If we are worried that digital freedom will be t…
There's a huge burden on individuals to prove that another organization is using data to persecute them and the definitions or persecution. Before GDPR did you know how vast the network of 3rd parties handling your data was? I didn't!
Without this, the next best thing is anonymity which is simpler to enforce and covers future eventualities.
>The solution is what it is in real offline life. A regulated legal framework that allows most and limits little, a open dynamic culture that accepts diversity and constant change.
The real offline life where people can be punished in the US for aiding abortions? Or where homosexuality is illegal in many countries? Or where people conflate a mental disorder (paedophilia) with a criminal act (child sex abuse) (intentionally edgy example to highlight the edge of what's acceptable).
>and the solutions are still the same - democracy, voting, making a noise, agitating our neighbours.
This is good advice for the Belarusians with bloodied faces and no change. Or the million people who marched against the Invasion of Iraq.