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‘Psychonauts’ by Mike Jay review

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I have searched for an EPUB copy and unfortunately I can only get Richard Evan's "Where the Gods Reign: Plants and Peoples of the Colombian"

Appears to be on Anna’s Archive if you’re still looking

Such a great resource. Thanks.

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Do they cover datura?

Read the repair trip reports for datura, brugmansia and belladonna. I’m fascinated by the breadth of different experiences offered by plant and chemical mind alteration, and encountered more things than most people have heard of. Reading those reports was enough to make me not want to seek out these deleriants in any way at all.

I have read pretty much all the reports on Erowid on the three mentioned too and I don't remember a single one that sounded like a good experience.

I think the problem is being poisoned by atropine. It is not like you can just relax and go with the flow while literally being poisoned.

I believe the movie Hellraiser is inspired by datura too.

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It's like we're in the Matrix. And the Matrix is a little island in the middle of a big ocean. Tripping, meditating, dreaming and a hundred other methods will get you into the ocean. Show it to you, splash around the shoreline, go for a swim, meet the people who live there... I've tripped some. Psilocybin is my favorite psychedelic substance. My favorite method is Vipassana meditation. (Also, is it just me or is the…

I do metta. I'm still wondering if meditation makes you a gullible crystal buying idiot, or does it just attract such people.

Well it's a pretty good story surrounding meditation : what mediation can do for you, the philosophies about it, sounds kinda like magic, etc.

Which would attract story-lovers. And might lead them to approach it from the story-end first (rather than seeking some more solid to work with). Which could be a problem.

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DMT only lasts 10-15 minutes, and will be so overpowering, glorious, and delightful, that one can only compare it to losing one's virginity, or being born again.

Mushrooms and LSD are way too longer/overrated and I fear those who haven't further explored the latent chemical/consciousness space misrepresent the dimension that, quite frankly, BETTER chemicals have to offer.

Dont do shrooms, 4acoDMT is far superior.

Dont do acid( edit: alone for the first time), at least not without taking a xanax (edit: read: or being in a well-intended state of mind) first.

DMT will sidestep all that.

iykyk, yk?

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I recall Terrence McKenna (everyone's favorite historical psychonaut) saying "It's hard to do psychedelics". I agree with him. These things are dangerous when the set and setting is wrong, or if they're done at an off-kilter phase of your life, or that you simply over-indulge in them. I appreciate the mini renaissance period they're having these days, but these things need plenty of research before trying them. They'…

I wonder if there exists a framework for integration that follows a rational approach. Psychology in general is a field full of esoteric and hardly scientific approaches. What I found about its psychedelic subfield is even worse. Behind a facade of science, it’s still very much New Age stuff. I had a psychedelic experience in a group setting with people that are supposedly experienced and knowledgeable about the scie…

I'm a psychedelics enjoyer. imo, the only good knowledge of the science we currently have stops at the level of chemistry. We know what these molecules look like. Sometimes we have a good idea of what their action in the body is, including the brain. After that, imo, the "science" breaks down. In large part because it's so particular to the individual. I don't think we yet have a rational framework for radically deconstructing and reconstructing something so idiosyncratic as the subjective experience. Not one that well transcends the borders of individuality and intersubjectivity, that can be readily applied by all people (or even all types of people). I think we solidly enter the realm of philosophy... to my mind, the employment of psychedelics is most profitable when seen as a different facet of the art of living with yourself well.

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California bill SB 58 just passed out of the “suspense file,” and actually has a path to pass.

Summary An act to amend Sections 11054, 11350, 11364, 11364.7, 11365, 11377, 11379, 11382, and 11550 of, to add Sections 11350.1 and 11377.1 to, to add and repeal Section 11214 of, to repeal Section 11999 of, and to repeal Article 7 (commencing with Section 11390) of Chapter 6 of Division 10 of, the Health and Safety Code, relating to controlled substances.

Would move forward access to a subset of these substances in California.

Full text of latest version here: https://legiscan.com/CA/text/SB58/2023

I am personally strongly in favor of this bill, and more broadly decriminalizing a wider variety of drugs, and focusing more resources on research, medical uses, addiction prevention, treatment and prosecuting related secondary crimes like robbery etc…

I do worry about folks who perhaps have experienced the legal weed phenomenon stepping up to DMT or large mushroom doses and not being prepared. I know this is just decriminalizing, but access follows. Ultimately I believe it is the individual choice and the benefits outweigh the damages, but I am not certain how it all plays out when the real numbers are in.

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DMT only lasts 10-15 minutes, and will be so overpowering, glorious, and delightful, that one can only compare it to losing one's virginity, or being born again. Mushrooms and LSD are way too longer/overrated and I fear those who haven't further explored the latent chemical/consciousness space misrepresent the dimension that, quite frankly, BETTER chemicals have to offer. Dont do shrooms, 4acoDMT is far superior. Don…

Mushrooms are incredibly varied, and I feel you just have not experienced good/strong mushrooms. I had trips which were indistinguishable from dmt.

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I see people giving prescriptions in this comment section. I am but a humble seeker. I can not claim to give anyone access to the best knowledge, or even lasting knowledge. Neither, I believe, can any of our fellow commenter. Anyone saying "you must integrate these lessons," or "ignore all else and read these books," are not wrong. They are giving advice that, to them, sounds good and wholesome. Perhaps they are.

However, I would push back against such dogma (and it is dogma even if it is only propagated by a single individual). Here are some of my own personal lessons from my psychedelic explorations:

Do what you are curious about, no more and no less.

Listen to the advice of your peers. Take it as freely as they give it. Yet, if you find no sense in it, also know you are not bound by it.

Be curious. Explore and research the things you do to your body, to the best of your ability, before you do them.

Keep an open mind and an open heart.

Beyond a wholesome discipline, be kind to yourself. You are a child of the universe no less than the trees and the stars. You have a right to be here. (Max Ehrmann, Desiderata)

Finally, I believe my best approach to the psychedelic experience is to treat it as a new aspect of philosophy. To me, it is about the art of living well with myself.

I love all you people. Be safe and be kind.

Re: ‘Psychonauts’ by Mike Jay review

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DMT only lasts 10-15 minutes, and will be so overpowering, glorious, and delightful, that one can only compare it to losing one's virginity, or being born again. Mushrooms and LSD are way too longer/overrated and I fear those who haven't further explored the latent chemical/consciousness space misrepresent the dimension that, quite frankly, BETTER chemicals have to offer. Dont do shrooms, 4acoDMT is far superior. Don…

Please don't recommend people take Xanax recreationally. Benzodiazepines are fraught with danger. It is not something to take lightly. Your experiences are not universalizable. I appreciate your insight, and I'm glad you've found substances you enjoy. But please refrain from engaging in drug exceptionalism. The first and foremost consideration of engaging in a substance ought to be harm reduction. This is not one of those "iykyk, yk" situations, in my humble opinion.

Also, fun aside: DMT may have interesting anabolic effects. I quite enjoy vaping DMT while working out. It helps me engage my muscles and mind more fully, and safely, in bodyweight non-ballistic exercises.

I hope you have a wonderful day, fellow seeker.

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