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Why Did a Drug Gang Kill 43 Students? Text Messages Hold Clues

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Re: Why Did a Drug Gang Kill 43 Students? Text Messages Hold Clues

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Post by User23 »

Moral_ wrote: post #24
walterbell wrote: post #17

https://anarchonomicon.substack.com/p/reaper-drones-over-hou... > The South and Central American drug war(s) is one of the most violent wars in modern history .. Over a million people have died in the conflict since 1970, and that’s not counting the over 50,000 Americans who die every year from opioid-related deaths, or the 20+ thousand American homicides every year, the majority of them in some way related to gangs…

This is such a bad take. Cartels have small arms the US military has drones, satellites, the NSA. A war against the cartel would be much like our participation in Syria.

Or Afghanistan.

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Post by LorenzoGood »

danielheath wrote: post #5
LorenzoGood wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I remember seeing a vice video where a cartel soldier said that every level of government in Mexico is paid with cartel money.

Who is giving the cartel that money?

The world drug trade.

Re: Why Did a Drug Gang Kill 43 Students? Text Messages Hold Clues

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Post by [deleted] »

hackermailman wrote: post #25

borderland beat covered this and it was a combination of the students stealing a cartel bus used for smuggling and the corrupt local government asking for favors of the cartels they work for to teach a lesson. Btw there is many more terrible things surfacing from mexico these days like everyday plebs having to post identifiers on their vehicles to indicate tax was paid to some cartel then rivals posting videos of kil…

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Re: Why Did a Drug Gang Kill 43 Students? Text Messages Hold Clues

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Post by foogazi »

walterbell wrote: post #28
Moral_ wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is such a bad take. Cartels have small arms the US military has drones, satellites, the NSA. A war against the cartel would be much like our participation in Syria.

See the fictional riff at the beginning: > “El Coyote” Head of the New Jaurez Joint Cartel, was the man who ordered the attack on the Cactus Lounge and similar massacres on US soil, he would be killed in a US airstrike in 2032. But his Lieutenant and successor, Cartel Boss, Mexican Nationalist Front commander, and Future Mexican President, Jaun Herrera would reveal in his 2054 memoirs Smuggling to Freedom: From Narco…

> Hidden bases that would have to be retaken,

This is such a dumb take

It's the Chinese government that actually has secret police stations all over the US right NOW

Re: Why Did a Drug Gang Kill 43 Students? Text Messages Hold Clues

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Post by yongjik »

SenAnder wrote: post #29
walterbell wrote: post #17

https://anarchonomicon.substack.com/p/reaper-drones-over-hou... > The South and Central American drug war(s) is one of the most violent wars in modern history .. Over a million people have died in the conflict since 1970, and that’s not counting the over 50,000 Americans who die every year from opioid-related deaths, or the 20+ thousand American homicides every year, the majority of them in some way related to gangs…

> America has had a massive advantage in every war it’s fought in the past 100 years: America has always been fighting elsewhere .. America’s population, industry … They’ve all been safely 10,000 miles away across oceans from the enemy and pretty much untouchable If you want to protect your population in the short-term, that's good. But if you want to win a war, that's a hindrance : Soldiers in desperate straits lose…

Meh, that's a gamble that only rarely works. Japan during WW2 spread propaganda that Americans will kill everyone, and forced even civilians to die rather than surrender.

Look how it worked out for them.

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Post by PostOnce »

jdkee wrote: post #16

Perhaps we should end the fifty years long "War on Some Drugs" in the US that funds the cartels.

Why does the war on drugs cause Mexico to fall apart and not Canada?

I don't think Mexico's problems would be solved if drugs disappeared tomorrow.

For example, the cartels are robbing fuel [depots, refineries, regular gas stations, etc]. They'll keep doing that, it's profitable.

So, how can Mexico solve its own problems? I have no idea.

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Post by vorpalhex »

jdkee wrote: post #16

Perhaps we should end the fifty years long "War on Some Drugs" in the US that funds the cartels.

Do you see a world where Amazon sells fent and.. undercuts the cartel or something?

How does ending our prohibition on drugs resolve the a nearly total collapse of law and order in a neighbor?

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Post by GauntletWizard »

foogazi wrote: post #34
walterbell wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

See the fictional riff at the beginning: > “El Coyote” Head of the New Jaurez Joint Cartel, was the man who ordered the attack on the Cactus Lounge and similar massacres on US soil, he would be killed in a US airstrike in 2032. But his Lieutenant and successor, Cartel Boss, Mexican Nationalist Front commander, and Future Mexican President, Jaun Herrera would reveal in his 2054 memoirs Smuggling to Freedom: From Narco…

> Hidden bases that would have to be retaken, This is such a dumb take It's the Chinese government that actually has secret police stations all over the US right NOW

There's no reason that it couldn't be both. Every administration at the national and state level has been corrupt enough for at least all of my lifetime.

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Post by tptacek »

walterbell wrote: post #17

https://anarchonomicon.substack.com/p/reaper-drones-over-hou... > The South and Central American drug war(s) is one of the most violent wars in modern history .. Over a million people have died in the conflict since 1970, and that’s not counting the over 50,000 Americans who die every year from opioid-related deaths, or the 20+ thousand American homicides every year, the majority of them in some way related to gangs…

This, again, is a blog that ran within the last few weeks a story suggesting that the Jews were America's "Cossacks", an ethnic group granted special favors and privileges.

Maybe we can cool it with the analysis from this person on HN threads.

Re: Why Did a Drug Gang Kill 43 Students? Text Messages Hold Clues

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Post by fallingknife »

vorpalhex wrote: post #37
jdkee wrote: post #16

Perhaps we should end the fifty years long "War on Some Drugs" in the US that funds the cartels.

Do you see a world where Amazon sells fent and.. undercuts the cartel or something? How does ending our prohibition on drugs resolve the a nearly total collapse of law and order in a neighbor?

You know any legal businesses that also have private armies on the side?
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