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When your classmates threaten you with felony charges

miles.land

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Re: When your classmates threaten you with felony charges

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post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

IANAL, but: 1. threatening violence is explicitly a crime 2. at a higher level, threatening violence is a crime because the underlying act (committing violence) is also a crime. threatening to do a legal act is largely legal. it's not illegal to threaten reporting to the authorities, for instance.

Seems like legal terrorism.

Only for uses of the word 'terrorism' so hyperbolic as to be meaningless.

Re: When your classmates threaten you with felony charges

#32

A private individual or company cannot file criminal/felony charges. Those are filed by a County Prosecutor, District Attorney, State Attorney, etc after being convinced of probable cause. They could threaten to report you to the police or such authorities, but they would have to turn over their evidence to them and to you and open all their relevant records to you via discovery. > Get a lawyer Yes, if they're seriou…

Yes, threatening to report is what was really happening here. But in their effort to scare us, they elided much of that process. From our perspective it was "watch out, you might face felony charges if you don't agree to silence".

Re: When your classmates threaten you with felony charges

#33
post #19

How can you legally threaten someone and not face consequences, but if you threaten someone with physical violence you can go to jail?

IANAL, but: 1. threatening violence is explicitly a crime 2. at a higher level, threatening violence is a crime because the underlying act (committing violence) is also a crime. threatening to do a legal act is largely legal. it's not illegal to threaten reporting to the authorities, for instance.

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Re: When your classmates threaten you with felony charges

#34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Seems like legal terrorism.

Only for uses of the word 'terrorism' so hyperbolic as to be meaningless.

Just pointing out the absurdity of it. I would much rather get punched in the face than serve 20 years in prison, but it is illegal to threaten the former, but perfectly fine to threaten the latter.

Re: When your classmates threaten you with felony charges

#35

How can you legally threaten someone and not face consequences, but if you threaten someone with physical violence you can go to jail?

IANL, but in some jurisdictions and circumstances I understand that threatening someone with criminal prosecution can itself constitute the crime of extortion or abuse of process.

Re: When your classmates threaten you with felony charges

#36
post #8

Yet another example of someone security "testing" someone else's servers/systems without permission. That's called hacking. Doesn't matter if you have "good faith" or not. It's not your property and you don't get to access it in ways the owners don't desire you to access it without being subject to potential civil and criminal enforcement against you.

If they don't do it, criminals will do it. I know what my preference is.

Re: When your classmates threaten you with felony charges

#37

The Stanford Daily article says “At the time, Fizz used Google’s Firestore database product to store data including user information and posts...Fizz did not have the necessary security rules set up, making it possible for anyone to query the database directly...phone numbers and/or email addresses for all users were fully accessible, and that posts and upvotes were directly linkable to this identifiable information.…

Speaking of, are there tools to audit/explore firebase/firestore databases i.e. see if collections/documents are readable?

I imagine a web tool that could take the app id and other api values (that are publicly embedded in frontend apps), optionally support a session id (for those firestore apps that use a lightweight “only visible to logged in users” security rule) and accept names of collections (found in the js code) to explore?

Re: When your classmates threaten you with felony charges

#38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your sentiment is silly. In general, with important caveats I will not state here, you can of course voice a threat to do an action that is legal (file a lawsuit), and may not voice a threat to do an action that is illegal (physical assault).

I'm not even suggesting it has to happen at a legal level, but perhaps at a professional level, I would think any lawyer writing baseless threatening letters to people should be subject to losing there license.

Writing a demand letter that leans in favor of your client's interests is not only okay, it is the standard course of action for a civil dispute.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/demand_letter

Re: When your classmates threaten you with felony charges

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post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

IANAL, but: 1. threatening violence is explicitly a crime 2. at a higher level, threatening violence is a crime because the underlying act (committing violence) is also a crime. threatening to do a legal act is largely legal. it's not illegal to threaten reporting to the authorities, for instance.

Seems like legal terrorism.

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Re: When your classmates threaten you with felony charges

#40
post #4

> And at the end of their threat they had a demand: don’t ever talk about your findings publicly. Essentially, if you agree to silence, we won’t pursue legal action. Legally, can this cover talking to e.g. state prosecutors and the police as well? Because claiming to be "100% secure", knowing you are not secure, and your users have no protection against spying from you or any minimally competent hacker, is fraud at m…

They could be legitimately ignorant of their security vulnerabilities. That might go to negligence more than fraud.
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