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Windows 8 tablet freezes in Microsoft keynote demo

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Re: Windows 8 tablet freezes in Microsoft keynote demo

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Has anyone figured out why exactly Microsoft makes such buggy software? Is it a company culture thing?

Because they have to support every freaking hardware device out there. If you control all aspects of the machine things can work out pretty smoothly.

Don't they dictate what hardware their tablet OS supports? Don't they control the demo hardware?

Re: Windows 8 tablet freezes in Microsoft keynote demo

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post #28

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Massive company. Massive software projects. Massive amount of end users. Massive amount of use cases for their software. Time restrictions on their development. The wording you used makes it sound like they make buggy software on purpose, which makes no sense.

> they make buggy software on purpose Actually, they do. Microsoft could spend more time and resources debugging it, or limit the number of use cases it addresses, make it simpler, support less hardware... Obviously, they chose more functionality for the end user, a broader selection of supported hardware and shorter time to market. That comes with a price. It's always a compromise. "Done is better than perfect" And,…

The difference is between "creating bugs" and "accepting bugs". Shipping buggy code is different than creating buggy code on purpose.

Re: Windows 8 tablet freezes in Microsoft keynote demo

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post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> they make buggy software on purpose Actually, they do. Microsoft could spend more time and resources debugging it, or limit the number of use cases it addresses, make it simpler, support less hardware... Obviously, they chose more functionality for the end user, a broader selection of supported hardware and shorter time to market. That comes with a price. It's always a compromise. "Done is better than perfect" And,…

The difference is between "creating bugs" and "accepting bugs". Shipping buggy code is different than creating buggy code on purpose.

All the bugs in my code are there because I wrote them. Of course, I didn't mean to, but, nevertheless, it's not like they appeared spontaneously.

Re: Windows 8 tablet freezes in Microsoft keynote demo

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"Windows 8, which Microsoft touts as the first operating system to run across multiple devices" Doesn't Linux already do this? Or does it not count, as it is only a kernel?

It's marketing speak, and no one of importance to Microsoft is going to call them on it. I would imagine their line of thinking would be Ubuntu doesn't ship on tablets or phones. OSX doesn't ship on tablets or phones. What they run are stripped down and re-imagined versions of the parent OS.

Approval of the magnitude of this claim is up to the reader.

Re: Windows 8 tablet freezes in Microsoft keynote demo

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post #26
post #19

"Windows 8, which Microsoft touts as the first operating system to run across multiple devices" Doesn't Linux already do this? Or does it not count, as it is only a kernel?

I mean what about previous versions of windows? They ran on tablets and desktops. If you mean non-x86 than windows NT initially was going to target MIPS and later became a x86 first(I believe they still released the MIPS version too).

Windows NT 3 could run on (some) MIPS, Alpha and PPC hardware in addition to x86. NT 4 was also ported PPC, but support was soon dropped and only the x86 and Alpha versions got any updates or support. There was even a release candidate of Windows 2000 for Alpha (I think I still have CD somewhere), but it never got a final release.

Re: Windows 8 tablet freezes in Microsoft keynote demo

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post #8

Has anyone figured out why exactly Microsoft makes such buggy software? Is it a company culture thing?

Because they have to support every freaking hardware device out there. If you control all aspects of the machine things can work out pretty smoothly.

> they have to support every freaking hardware device out there.

Don't the hardware makers do that?

Re: Windows 8 tablet freezes in Microsoft keynote demo

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post #20

So, uhm, I’m not a fan of Windows 8, but why exactly is this in any way a big deal? It's not finished. It will break. You have a backup device (or two) ready when you present it in front of a crowd. Apple does it (I remember keynotes where they had to switch to their backup Mac), Microsoft does it, everyone does it.

I'm an Apple fan, and I agree, stuff breaks. This is a non-news story.

Re: Windows 8 tablet freezes in Microsoft keynote demo

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No iOS product would crap itself like that during a keynote demo. Sure, I've had them panic and reboot on me in real world use, but Apple takes the time to make sure the demo runs smoothly. When you can't or don't make your demo run smoothly during a high visibility presentation, it makes you look careless, either in the development of your product or of your demo. In either case, it reeks of incompetence. This might…

No iOS product comes close to the complexity of a Microsoft Dynamics product either, nor are developers at Apple expected to develop and demo such complex products on pre-beta operating systems created by a different group.

Wasn't it just a user interface for Dynamics running somewhere else?

Re: Windows 8 tablet freezes in Microsoft keynote demo

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Massive company. Massive software projects. Massive amount of end users. Massive amount of use cases for their software. Time restrictions on their development. The wording you used makes it sound like they make buggy software on purpose, which makes no sense.

Oh, sorry. Yeah I meant why they end up producing buggy software when competitors like Apple have proven it's possible to both ship and make stable software. And Apple does both hardware and software.

As much as I like bashing Microsoft (and they do make buggy software), this is not an apples to apples comparison - Apple has much more control over the complete stack than Microsoft does. And Apple software is hardly perfect either.

What Apple (Jobs, really) did was always rehearse every keynote to exhaustion (his and everyone else's), until everything is absolutely perfect. Not everyone is as perfectionist as Jobs was.

I had IIS blue-screen on me in front of a full audience (yes, I once worked for the evil empire). And I did rehearse the damn thing a good couple times.

Re: Windows 8 tablet freezes in Microsoft keynote demo

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post #19

"Windows 8, which Microsoft touts as the first operating system to run across multiple devices" Doesn't Linux already do this? Or does it not count, as it is only a kernel?

It's marketing speak, and no one of importance to Microsoft is going to call them on it. I would imagine their line of thinking would be Ubuntu doesn't ship on tablets or phones. OSX doesn't ship on tablets or phones. What they run are stripped down and re-imagined versions of the parent OS. Approval of the magnitude of this claim is up to the reader.

Still, Linux runs on just about everything between a 68000 and an IBM mainframe. As does NetBSD.

I find the propensity to lie disturbing.

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