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Re: The Albanian town that TikTok emptied

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Post by secondcoming »

joshe wrote: post #21

Nice that social media is providing a clear pathway out of towns like this. Sad for the people left behind but the answer is for them to leave, not for everyone to be trapped there. And note the Eastern Europe is doing great at the country level. In general people should engage in more geographic mobility.

Right, but did you miss the part where these young men are being forced to work for criminal gangs and the girls are most likely in the sex trade?

They're also abusing the asylum process to get to stay in the UK. It's a massive problem.

Re: The Albanian town that TikTok emptied

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Post by koheripbal »

joshe wrote: post #21

Nice that social media is providing a clear pathway out of towns like this. Sad for the people left behind but the answer is for them to leave, not for everyone to be trapped there. And note the Eastern Europe is doing great at the country level. In general people should engage in more geographic mobility.

There are always some people who stay, and always some of the children of the people who left will return to revitalize the area.

It takes one or two generations for that secondary effect of revitalization but it happens as children and grandchildren of those who emigrated want to return to their culture and find land prices very low.

I've seen it in rural China, India, and Italy before that. Even Russia had a large number of emigrant's (or their children) return during the economic book in the 2000's. Potion ruined that, and many have since left again, but it demonstrates the effect.

Eastern Europe will be the same.

Re: The Albanian town that TikTok emptied

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Post by koheripbal »

ryukoposting wrote: post #26
panick21_ wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Its almost as if complex social and economic systems aren't magic and you can't just yell 'capitalism' and turn into the Belgium. Its almost as if just talking about complex social and economic system as a binary isn't a smart thing to do.

You're replying to a user named "assbuttbuttass."

Agreed. The account should be banned

Re: The Albanian town that TikTok emptied

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Post by paxys »

joshe wrote: post #21

Nice that social media is providing a clear pathway out of towns like this. Sad for the people left behind but the answer is for them to leave, not for everyone to be trapped there. And note the Eastern Europe is doing great at the country level. In general people should engage in more geographic mobility.

Get misled by a TikTok "influencer" and go join a street gang or be forced into prostitution in other parts of Europe? I wouldn't call that "escaping" anything.

Re: The Albanian town that TikTok emptied

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Post by laputan_machine »

panick21_ wrote: post #6
bluescrn wrote: post #3

Yet we're repeatedly told that every single migrant entering the UK illegally is a desparate refugee fleeing war or persecution?

If you are being told that you are following the wrong sources.

> In 2022, around 16,000 Albanian citizens applied for asylum in the UK, making up 16% of all asylum applicants.

https://migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/commentaries...

What's that?

Let's be real, there is no reason for any country to be granting Albanian citizens asylum. There isn't a genocide going on, it's a (relatively) free country:

https://www.equaldex.com/region/albania

Re: The Albanian town that TikTok emptied

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Post by epolanski »

techwiz137 wrote: post #2

The curse of Eastern Europe, to die and empty out. It's the same in my country. Life in the UK and Germany > at home. And it's an exponential process, for every 1 person, 5 probably leave. My hometown was nearly 100k in the 80s, down to 50k if that by now. And it's mostly elderly, children, who grow up, go to the capital or just immigrate.

I really would not say it applies to whole Eastern Europe.

Baltics, Poland, Slovakia, Czechia, Romania and many other places are developing fine and less and less people are emigrating.

And the picture definitely is nowhere near as depressing as Albania and this region in particular.

Re: The Albanian town that TikTok emptied

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Post by epolanski »

joshe wrote: post #21

Nice that social media is providing a clear pathway out of towns like this. Sad for the people left behind but the answer is for them to leave, not for everyone to be trapped there. And note the Eastern Europe is doing great at the country level. In general people should engage in more geographic mobility.

Did you even read the article?

It points at how miserable virtually all Albanians that get baited into traveling to UK have it

Re: The Albanian town that TikTok emptied

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Post by epolanski »

koheripbal wrote: post #33
assbuttbuttass wrote: post #4

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You are confusing cause and effect. They left because Communism ruined the economy and collapsed. Capitalism is what is starting to drive some people back into eastern Europe now.

I'm pretty sure these people had it better under communism as the article points out the place was much more liveable.
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