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Re: Windows popup to change competing browser search engine to Bing anticompetitive?

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As a Linux user, both on the desktop and on my home servers, what "serious problems" does the Linux desktop have? I know it isn't perfect, are you referring to the lack software support by the likes Adobe and MS Office?

My Linux install does dumb shit (technical term) all the time, but I find it's a small price to pay for software that doesn't hate me. Case in point: I just upgraded to the newish Xubuntu 23.04 the other day, and now my default sound output device changes (to the wrong one) every time I come out of sleep mode. A small price to pay.

That maybe specific to that distribution and not Linux as a whole.

Re: Windows popup to change competing browser search engine to Bing anticompetitive?

#32

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As a Linux user, both on the desktop and on my home servers, what "serious problems" does the Linux desktop have? I know it isn't perfect, are you referring to the lack software support by the likes Adobe and MS Office?

Used a Linux machine for a while when my Mac was being repaired. It's not enough for professional use, unless you're a programmer or sysadmin. - I couldn't find a good enough e-mail client, so did what every Linux user I know do and used webmail. That means you lose speed and features. - Dual screen support for different DPI is non-existent in most distros, and has to be hacked with xrandr scripts to work in other di…

Hardware "issues" depends on the hardware being supported for that distribution, desktop environment and more.

My Realtek Ethernet doesn't work on Fedora 38, but it did work out of the box with Pop!_OS.

Mozilla Thunderbird is a good email client.

Re: Windows popup to change competing browser search engine to Bing anticompetitive?

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> told by people who are younger than my career that my use of a term is incorrect Being old doesn't make you wise, or right. It's nonsense to demand that meaning of words will never change, because change over time is just how language works. That's how we got from Chaucer, to Shakespeare, to modern English. The changes do happen fast enough to be noticeable in a single lifetime. As you grow older, it's important to…

> Being old doesn't make you wise, or right. are you serious? being old doesn't inherently make you know things, no, and that is absolutely not what I was saying. I was around when the term was coined and I used it in conversation with others. After that the people who argue with me today tell me that my use of the term then was wrong were born. Wikipedia is wrong about the origins of this term; I was using it in 199…

No one is saying your definition is incorrect. You are saying another group's definition is incorrect.

Re: Windows popup to change competing browser search engine to Bing anticompetitive?

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My Linux install does dumb shit (technical term) all the time, but I find it's a small price to pay for software that doesn't hate me. Case in point: I just upgraded to the newish Xubuntu 23.04 the other day, and now my default sound output device changes (to the wrong one) every time I come out of sleep mode. A small price to pay.

Kubuntu 23.04 kernel 6.4.11 here - works fine. The issue you describe may be XFCE specific.

"Works for me" is the anthem of all linux desktop users.

Re: Windows popup to change competing browser search engine to Bing anticompetitive?

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Used a Linux machine for a while when my Mac was being repaired. It's not enough for professional use, unless you're a programmer or sysadmin. - I couldn't find a good enough e-mail client, so did what every Linux user I know do and used webmail. That means you lose speed and features. - Dual screen support for different DPI is non-existent in most distros, and has to be hacked with xrandr scripts to work in other di…

People like to compare random laptops running linux against macbooks running osx or thinkpads running windows, but that isn't really fair as linux is being expected to correctly support more hardware than the commercial options. Compare a thinkpad running windows to the same computer running linux. I have been getting an experience superior to windows on an old x220 for the better part of a decade now. Absolutely eve…

The reason why I used a Linux machine while my Mac was being repaired is because I would never even consider Windows. I needed to get important work done, uninterrupted. With very minimal time to tinker with the system. Linux was a total disappointment, but at least I could get through the time while the Mac was being repaired. If something like this happens again, I'll just try to Hackintosh any machine, because you might have to tinker and hack and pull your hair as much as with Linux, but in the end you can get a decent system for non-dev work.

Re: Windows popup to change competing browser search engine to Bing anticompetitive?

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Used a Linux machine for a while when my Mac was being repaired. It's not enough for professional use, unless you're a programmer or sysadmin. - I couldn't find a good enough e-mail client, so did what every Linux user I know do and used webmail. That means you lose speed and features. - Dual screen support for different DPI is non-existent in most distros, and has to be hacked with xrandr scripts to work in other di…

Email client: Thunderbird What more do you need? Mutt is good for terminal usage too. Or are you lamenting stuff like integrated calendar and what not? >- Very messy to install software. The native "App Store" wouldn't work or connect, so had to resort to shell commands. Software install is A) fundamentally messy if you refuse to read what is being installed, B) nothing to complain about given that the level of frict…

When switching from Windows to OS X eons ago, there were no hurdles or no need to "become proficient". No diving into config files or terminal to make things work. Polished OS and software, that you could use uninterrupted from start to finish when doing professional work, without being a programmer.

I can use MacOS without knowing what a path update or a linker path is, and it can do every and any advanced thing a computer is capable of without me having to learn that. The developer having to go through hell to release software for MacOS is one person who will suffer for the benefit of thousands, instead of thousands suffering for the benefit of nobody.

Linux should come with a big sticker "Do not use if you're not a developer", because that's basically the answer to any complaint about the OS. Of course nobody is responsible, because it's OSS and just floating out there, everybody is a volounteer. But where are the people to say "Hey, let's integrate and make a great experience and test with real life users and real life work flows, and then sell it"?

I would have gladly pay for a Linux solution like that if it existed. Why is MacOS the only option for non-developers? People who make some PDFs, read and write e-mails, make invoices and graphics, make presentations and use advanced calendars. I want to do that natively on a machine and have everything integrated, like Mac does with Spotlight and such. Linux people tell me I should use web services for all that, but then there's no integration.

Since it's OSS, nobody has a right to complain, and that's fine. I just think OSS programmers could be less shy. Instead of releasing something half-assed for other devs to use, why not go the extra mile and deliver something that's complete and usable for non-devs and then charge for it? We'd gladly pay!

Re: Windows popup to change competing browser search engine to Bing anticompetitive?

#37

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Used a Linux machine for a while when my Mac was being repaired. It's not enough for professional use, unless you're a programmer or sysadmin. - I couldn't find a good enough e-mail client, so did what every Linux user I know do and used webmail. That means you lose speed and features. - Dual screen support for different DPI is non-existent in most distros, and has to be hacked with xrandr scripts to work in other di…

Hardware "issues" depends on the hardware being supported for that distribution, desktop environment and more. My Realtek Ethernet doesn't work on Fedora 38, but it did work out of the box with Pop!_OS. Mozilla Thunderbird is a good email client.

I tried a few different distros before settling with Ubuntu. Different things would work or not work in different distros on the laptop I had. I had read good things about PopOS, but it would not install. I liked ElementaryOS and found the UI more beautiful than MacOS, but something important didn't function (I've forgotten what it was). Congrats to the developers and designers of Linux desktop environments (ElementaryOS, KDE and Gnome) for having the best looking GUIs without losing clarity and usability. They are superior to anything from Apple, Microsoft or Google. Unfortunately it seems that "the rest of Linux" hates GUIs and GUI-workflows.

Re: Windows popup to change competing browser search engine to Bing anticompetitive?

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I'm cynical because I've seen SO MANY terms quickly change, only to be told by people who are younger than my career that my use of a term is incorrect. I'm cynical because I've been forced to be. "copypasta" used to mean that a programs source code was copied from many places and hastily wired up so it all works without any cleanup or untangling of unnecessary bits of code, like casts from uint16 to uint32 so that o…

It’s maybe a stretch to call 4chan speak like “copypasta” a technical term.

technical term or not, it has meaning.

an easier to understand example, then: "literally" - "in effect; in substance; very nearly; virtually: 'I literally died when she walked out on stage in that costume.'"

https://www.dictionary.com/browse/literally

"literally" now literally means "figuratively" because of the phenomenon I'm talking about.

Re: Windows popup to change competing browser search engine to Bing anticompetitive?

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is it a dark pattern if it clearly asks you to do something, and doesn't lie or deceive you about what it's going to do if you accept or decline? (no, it isn't a dark pattern if it isn't lying or tricking you into making a decision you would not make otherwise. this particular behavior isn't defensible behavior, and it isn't an example of a dark pattern, either.) is this how languages evolve so fast? people using wor…

It's a dark pattern to constantly solicit the user the same offer with no option to turn it off. Ie my windows machine constantly suggesting I switch to windows 11, using vaguer language than normal so that I may accidentally select yes, and having no opt out option so I may eventually concide out of exhaustion rather than real consent

it's an anti-pattern. It isn't a dark pattern.

dark patterns lie to you, attempt to deceive you. anti-patterns are just annoying without lying.

you guys want to attack Microsoft so bad you've forgotten what terms mean.

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