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Hugging Face raises $235M from investors including Salesforce and Nvidia

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Re: Hugging Face raises $235M from investors including Salesforce and Nvidia

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Yeah, enjoy the free beer and have a plan to take a case with you when the bar is closing.

Unless the bar gets so big that all the other bars go out of business like with YouTube and many other monopolies/oligopolies.

GitHub is pretty excellent.

Re: Hugging Face raises $235M from investors including Salesforce and Nvidia

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I love Huggingface. I worry they will be the next Docker. What is the moat? "We will run your inference" can't be the answer.

A Hugging Swarm which then loses tech mindshare to an immensely complex frankensteined offering, "cogit8s".

L7N already exists

Re: Hugging Face raises $235M from investors including Salesforce and Nvidia

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Hugging Face is early in the Silicon Valley enshittification cycle - currently burning VC money being incredibly good to it's users. Next would be shifting that value to its business customers. Then clawing back and squeezing as much value as possible from those. Then collapse. Although, is it technically a platform / marketplace? Anyway for now, enjoy the free beer from the VCs.

i'm curious what HF does, because iiuc they're mostly just hosting model files? i know that they have some compute offers, and also created/maintain a few libraries, but it's not particularly widely used, i'm really not sure how they're supposed to earn money...

Re: Hugging Face raises $235M from investors including Salesforce and Nvidia

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Genuine question … What business are you in when selling AI/ML? I’m far from being knowledgeable in this space, but it seems like AI/ML “is a feature, not a product”. And if that’s the case, what business are you in when a company sells AI/ML? Are you in the business of licensing the model you created? Charging for the output? Hosting infrastructure? What exactly are you in the business to sell? To use an analogy, if…

They are selling picks and shovels. There will be a few huge winners in the AI space, a good amount of modest winners, and a lot of losers. They don't care who wins or loses but are happy to sell the supplies needed for anyone that wants to take a shot.

If they can make it easier and worthwhile to use their product and create business value, then they will sell a lot of picks and shovels.

Re: Hugging Face raises $235M from investors including Salesforce and Nvidia

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To add further, i do not know what is end goal of hugging face. 1. They have inference API but all cloud provider can implement those in next year. 2. They offer subscription but market-size of subscription is questionable. 3. I hope this new set of funding don't bring problem to them because making money with open source is hard and at this scale of funding it might be even harder. It see what happens in next set of…

GitHub for ML models? If they can anchor themselves to the open-source developer network, their acquisition value is in a tech giant being able to cross-sell to that community.

Are they going to spend that money recreating Code Host features like PRs, code scanning, CI?

I'm not going to host my code on multiple platforms, pretty easy to make a model available for download with S3

Re: Hugging Face raises $235M from investors including Salesforce and Nvidia

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Hugging Face is early in the Silicon Valley enshittification cycle - currently burning VC money being incredibly good to it's users. Next would be shifting that value to its business customers. Then clawing back and squeezing as much value as possible from those. Then collapse. Although, is it technically a platform / marketplace? Anyway for now, enjoy the free beer from the VCs.

They represent a real risk to the AI ecosystem IMO (or opportunity if you're an investor). They have really cornered the market on model hosting as well as frameworks for running them, it's going to get ugly when they start turning the screws.

I think it's important for people to diversify away from them and not build anything that uniquely depends on them. It's not good to have chokepoints like this.

Re: Hugging Face raises $235M from investors including Salesforce and Nvidia

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From Nvidias point of view, this might be an investment in their own business via network effects rather than a straight up investment in Hugging Face. I hope so, because when the VC money goes, the billing will go through the roof.

Complementary service to go with their main product
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