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Re: The rise of the open kitchen

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The rise of open kitchens feels like just another facet of our panoptic tech age. Everything and every job and every person is under surveillance, every task monitored, every move assessed against metrics, every act rateable. there's hardly any realm of work now where you're not being constantly observed and judged, and having to perform for that rating, not even minimum wage work now. Maybe it's not just about trans…

Well the article is at best incomplete, there's open kitchens in restaurants but an increasingly annoying trend is encountering them in private homes.

The reason for private home open kitchens is simple: greed on part of the real estate developers. Like office open spaces, it's easier and cheaper to develop them, less work, less material, these motherfuckers would sell you a cube of concrete and call it "home" if they could.

It's become almost impossible to buy a new apartment with a proper, enclosed kitchen. And I'm not talking 100s of square meters because at today's prices that's for Bezos and Musks only, a tiny tiny regular apartment with little space to go when stuff starts smelling in the living room (now shared with the kitchen).

Another trend on part of the real estate (agents, developers, all kinda disgusting sleazy hustlers trying to get you buy their crap) is talking you into accepting that smelly cube of concrete instead of proper compartments. "You're not going to cook at home much anyway, are you? Only poor people cook, wealthy guys like you will make at most a tea in the kitchen and eat out or order food".

No, bitches, I cook at home! And it smells! Roasted onion, fried meat, pretty much staple food that needs to be cooked over and over again, smells so strong that you can feel it in the hallway outside the apartment, without an enclosed kitchen. Even with an enclosed one, I still need to open the balcony door and some smell will creep into the other rooms, but it's manageable, with a bit of open windows the smell is gone in 30 minutes instead of lingering for days, so bad that friends smell food in my apartment days after I stopped cooking it.

Re: The rise of the open kitchen

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I’m a big fan of this trend toward more openness in cooking and hope it continues. The article mentions Lazy Bear, which is my favorite restaurant, and one of the reasons I like it so much is that you can indeed see a lot of what’s going on. Their staff goes even further than the article describes by frequently posting the full process behind many of their dishes online and citing the farms they work with by name. I might have been one of those annoying customers, asking which type of charcoal or oak embers they’re using in the konro, but if I owned a restaurant like that I would be excited by customers who took an interest in learning about the craft itself (and perhaps asking too many questions) as opposed to attending on disinterested clients primarily there for a business function.

Re: The rise of the open kitchen

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I was hoping this was going to talk about the increasingly trendy open kitchen concept in homes, or more specifically answer the question: why have kitchens traditionally been separated from dining areas in the first place? Unfortunately, the article is about restaurants.

This is a wonderful trend. Cooking goes on, mixed with kids homework or peers socializing, and it pulls everyone together. Another nice trend is street level shops and restaurants mixed with housing above. This fights the "estate for everyone" mcmansion trend that separates people.

My take is the opposite. It’s a nightmare of noise, where everyone is forced to be louder than everyone else. Anyone trying to read or do homework is forced to flee to the edges of the house to find an escape.

Re: The rise of the open kitchen

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It is interesting how many people immediately jump to a jaded, negative explanation, missing a rather obvious alternative: what if the guests are just curious?

That would, at the very least, be my case. Some pizzerias do have an "open oven", and seeing the cook preparing the pizza is a nice show of good workmanship. It is not that different from watching a blacksmith on a fair hammering out a horseshoe. We live in an age of industrial production; artisans are becoming rarer.

In a similar vein, some new train sets in Europe actually have a transparent engineer cockpit, so that the passengers can see how the track looks like when underway. Again, this is meant as a satisfaction of natural human curiosity, not some elaborate class scheme to humiliate the engineer, who is a valuable employee.

Re: The rise of the open kitchen

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The rise of open kitchens feels like just another facet of our panoptic tech age. Everything and every job and every person is under surveillance, every task monitored, every move assessed against metrics, every act rateable. there's hardly any realm of work now where you're not being constantly observed and judged, and having to perform for that rating, not even minimum wage work now. Maybe it's not just about trans…

Well the article is at best incomplete, there's open kitchens in restaurants but an increasingly annoying trend is encountering them in private homes. The reason for private home open kitchens is simple: greed on part of the real estate developers. Like office open spaces, it's easier and cheaper to develop them, less work, less material, these motherfuckers would sell you a cube of concrete and call it "home" if the…

We cook at home too and I love our open kitchen. I lived in apartments with "proper" enclosed kitchen and I didn't like it. Give me an open kitchen anyday.

True, the foods we cook don't smell as much and we have very good ventilation. Plus my sense of smell is a bit shot (though not defunct), so I don't mind.

People have different esthetic and practical preferences.

Re: The rise of the open kitchen

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a wonderful trend. Cooking goes on, mixed with kids homework or peers socializing, and it pulls everyone together. Another nice trend is street level shops and restaurants mixed with housing above. This fights the "estate for everyone" mcmansion trend that separates people.

My take is the opposite. It’s a nightmare of noise, where everyone is forced to be louder than everyone else. Anyone trying to read or do homework is forced to flee to the edges of the house to find an escape.

Don't people wanting to read in peace just do it in their room? There are social activities in the open plan area (cooking together, painting, crafting, etc) and then anyone working or reading is often doing it in their room or the home office.

Re: The rise of the open kitchen

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The rise of open kitchens feels like just another facet of our panoptic tech age. Everything and every job and every person is under surveillance, every task monitored, every move assessed against metrics, every act rateable. there's hardly any realm of work now where you're not being constantly observed and judged, and having to perform for that rating, not even minimum wage work now. Maybe it's not just about trans…

Well the article is at best incomplete, there's open kitchens in restaurants but an increasingly annoying trend is encountering them in private homes. The reason for private home open kitchens is simple: greed on part of the real estate developers. Like office open spaces, it's easier and cheaper to develop them, less work, less material, these motherfuckers would sell you a cube of concrete and call it "home" if the…

> an increasingly annoying trend is encountering them in private homes.

Speak for yourself; I love open kitchens. For me, cooking is an enjoyable and relaxing hobby. If I could throw out the living room and television and replace them with more kitchen space, I would (but I’m concerned about the resale value of the home).

The open kitchen is for entertaining guests and family members, and I like watching how others cook when I visit their homes as well.

Re: The rise of the open kitchen

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The rise of open kitchens feels like just another facet of our panoptic tech age. Everything and every job and every person is under surveillance, every task monitored, every move assessed against metrics, every act rateable. there's hardly any realm of work now where you're not being constantly observed and judged, and having to perform for that rating, not even minimum wage work now. Maybe it's not just about trans…

The intent of the original was for spectacle, inspored by theater, and I would think that other upscale restaurants with similar configurations would choose to do that for the same reason. It has entertainment value. The article contrasted it with diners and sushi restaurants where it serves a different purpose: ensuring sanitary standards.

Open floor plans in offices serve yet other functions: cost savings and employee management.

While it's interesting to note the parallel trend of removing walls in offices and restaurants, I don't know that they actually have that much in common

Re: The rise of the open kitchen

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The rise of open kitchens feels like just another facet of our panoptic tech age. Everything and every job and every person is under surveillance, every task monitored, every move assessed against metrics, every act rateable. there's hardly any realm of work now where you're not being constantly observed and judged, and having to perform for that rating, not even minimum wage work now. Maybe it's not just about trans…

Well the article is at best incomplete, there's open kitchens in restaurants but an increasingly annoying trend is encountering them in private homes. The reason for private home open kitchens is simple: greed on part of the real estate developers. Like office open spaces, it's easier and cheaper to develop them, less work, less material, these motherfuckers would sell you a cube of concrete and call it "home" if the…

What exactly is a closed kitchen? One with doors completely shutting it off from the rest of the home? That seems to be exceptionally rare in the US. So much so I don't think I've ever been into any home that that was the case. There's of course ones with and without walls that partition it off from the rest of the living space, but I can't remember the last time i saw a door on one.

Even when I lived in Germany, while the kitchen was a separate room, it had a big opening that went into a small hallway and right next to it was a dining room.

In none of these scenarios would I think you'd ever magically block off the smell of cooking. I walk by some houses and I can certainly smell what they're cooking, so it's not like even the entirely closed off house is going to prevent that.

I think your issue is actually a ventilation one. You don't dissipate the smell of something by letting it fester in a closed off space. You open a window (like you said) or find an apartment that has a range hood, vented or not.

Re: The rise of the open kitchen

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I’m a big fan of this trend toward more openness in cooking and hope it continues. The article mentions Lazy Bear, which is my favorite restaurant, and one of the reasons I like it so much is that you can indeed see a lot of what’s going on. Their staff goes even further than the article describes by frequently posting the full process behind many of their dishes online and citing the farms they work with by name. I…

Reminds me of this Portlandia clip http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WAlWrT5P2VI
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