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Re: Why your toxic colleagues climb to the top

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2020

True. But I don’t necessarily think it changes things. It’d be nice to see a follow up incorporating what we’ve learned about the whole wfh/hybrid practices of late. But my guess is that the same group will climb just as they would have before. If anything, I’d guess the effect will be made even more pronounced.

So what's the guideline for tagging a submission with the date?

Re: Why your toxic colleagues climb to the top

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And then there are people like me, I only have hard skills and not enough soft skills. People end up not trusting me because they find out I'm hiding skills. And I end up not using them, and not even trying to convince people what's the right thing to do

And whose fault is it for being aware that you lack skills but refusing to develop them?

Not everybody can develop such skills just because they wish so.

Re: Why your toxic colleagues climb to the top

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

True. But I don’t necessarily think it changes things. It’d be nice to see a follow up incorporating what we’ve learned about the whole wfh/hybrid practices of late. But my guess is that the same group will climb just as they would have before. If anything, I’d guess the effect will be made even more pronounced.

So what's the guideline for tagging a submission with the date?

It makes sense to add it if the content of the submission is time-sensitive and so knowledge of the date makes a difference (e.g. an article about some "new breakthrough discovery" which woudn't be such anymore if the piece was written in 2004).

Re: Why your toxic colleagues climb to the top

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

True. But I don’t necessarily think it changes things. It’d be nice to see a follow up incorporating what we’ve learned about the whole wfh/hybrid practices of late. But my guess is that the same group will climb just as they would have before. If anything, I’d guess the effect will be made even more pronounced.

So what's the guideline for tagging a submission with the date?

In general, the HN style is that, if it wasn't written this year, tag it with the year.

Re: Why your toxic colleagues climb to the top

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post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And whose fault is it for being aware that you lack skills but refusing to develop them?

Not everybody can develop such skills just because they wish so.

Indeed, wishing is not enough. It requires hard work.

Re: Why your toxic colleagues climb to the top

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post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not everybody can develop such skills just because they wish so.

Indeed, wishing is not enough. It requires hard work.

Better take up that hard work then, because this response doesn't really signal "social skills".

I was talking about mental health issues (from genetic stuff like autism to PTSD and social anxiety) that prevent those social skills from developing, regardless of work (any more than someone with depression can just "work" on being happier).

Re: Why your toxic colleagues climb to the top

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post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Indeed, wishing is not enough. It requires hard work.

Better take up that hard work then, because this response doesn't really signal "social skills". I was talking about mental health issues (from genetic stuff like autism to PTSD and social anxiety) that prevent those social skills from developing, regardless of work (any more than someone with depression can just "work" on being happier).

I know exactly what you were talking about, because my social skills are amazing. And my response is the same - hard work.

Re: Why your toxic colleagues climb to the top

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Primitive primate dynamics and manipulations have been on obvious display in all offices I have ever been in. An encounter with one particular individual was the main reason that I went remote over a decade ago.

He was another contractor brought on at the same time as me. From the beginning he seemed to have identified me as a competitor or something. Maybe he sensed my doubt when he described his background as being in rodeo clowning and being a television news personality before learning C++ (it was a C# job).

He immediately took the opportunity to explicitly cast doubt on my skills with the other new coworker after I had spoken about one sentence. I believe he then must have gone behind my back to denigrate me with the boss on at least one occasion.

I did not see or hear anything about him writing code until several weeks after hiring. It seemed as though he was trying to set the record on the number of namespace parts in their framework, which were all repeated entirely on every line. I may not be remembering this right but I think he was actually double-spacing his code. Not like separated into logical blocks, just double spaced.

One day, he deliberately provoked me into a shouting match that got me fired. Someone had asked something about my code, which I started answering, and he was standing nearby and suddenly said something like "I'll handle this. _Why can't you just admit that you made another mistake?_" (or something like that) very loudly. No one was asking me about a mistake or anything. I don't remember but there might have been some aspect of the code that could use improvement that I was explaining as an aside. But whatever it was, his response did not make sense except as a provocation and manipulation. It did in fact enrage me and cause me to initiate the shouting.

I could not stand him because he did little to no useful work that I could see, spent most of his time "mentoring" one of the attractive young female new hires. The boss liked him because he lived on a boat and presented himself as upper class.

Some people you will work with operate at the same socio-ethical level as chimpanzees.

Re: Why your toxic colleagues climb to the top

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Story time for the young kids in the room: Once upon a time, in my role as a technical consultant for hire at a large multinational corporation, I found myself tasked with a management board presentation. I was filling in for several project managers who were otherwise engaged due to urgent commitments. My responsibility was to elucidate the difficulties stemming from the company's current internal systems integratio…

I'm confused. Isn't that what you were hired for?
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