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We Call on FOSS Contributors to “Exit Zoom”

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Re: We Call on FOSS Contributors to “Exit Zoom”

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What's your point? The same can be said with regards to oral communication. People who communicate in sign language do so in a very expressive way, a way that pure text cannot capture. You should go out of your way to experience this for yourself.

My point is that I'm ignorant on the subject but interested and so am asking questions to learn about it.

Do you use audio/video chat? Why don't you type instead?

Re: We Call on FOSS Contributors to “Exit Zoom”

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That is possibly the least coherent press release/call to action I've seen in a while. If there is a convincing argument to be had there, it's buried in twelve paragraphs of flowery language.

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I'm usually opposed to these GPT summaries, but this post definitely needed it.

Re: We Call on FOSS Contributors to “Exit Zoom”

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's your point? The same can be said with regards to oral communication. People who communicate in sign language do so in a very expressive way, a way that pure text cannot capture. You should go out of your way to experience this for yourself.

My point is that I'm ignorant on the subject but interested and so am asking questions to learn about it.

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Re: We Call on FOSS Contributors to “Exit Zoom”

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Why stop at Zoom? Exit Discord too! Remember when FOSS community discussions occurred in archived mailing lists crawled by search engines? How quaint! Now your average project invites everyone to their "Discord server", the discussions equivalent of a black hole.

Strongly agree. Doesn't have to be mailing lists, but any persistent forum is better than discord

Re: We Call on FOSS Contributors to “Exit Zoom”

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My point is that I'm ignorant on the subject but interested and so am asking questions to learn about it.

Do you use audio/video chat? Why don't you type instead?

I personally prefer text to voice in most situations, and work intensively with several colleagues who feel the same at least for work. But I'm an introvert and recluse and recognize that this isn't normal.

Re: We Call on FOSS Contributors to “Exit Zoom”

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> A recent analysis showed that it could take up to 30 hours just to read the entirety of Zoom's terms and conditions I wonder whether there's a single human being on Earth who has read the entire T&C word for word. I assume multiple authors drafted and edited specific chunks, so it may even be the case that even the lawyers who wrote it haven't read the full thing, yet users are expected to have done it in some vagu…

And how legally binding those T&C really are anyway?

Re: We Call on FOSS Contributors to “Exit Zoom”

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> A recent analysis showed that it could take up to 30 hours just to read the entirety of Zoom's terms and conditions I wonder whether there's a single human being on Earth who has read the entire T&C word for word. I assume multiple authors drafted and edited specific chunks, so it may even be the case that even the lawyers who wrote it haven't read the full thing, yet users are expected to have done it in some vagu…

They didn't even quote that analysis correctly. It shows that it would take 30 minutes for the average person... big difference there.

Re: We Call on FOSS Contributors to “Exit Zoom”

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> A recent analysis showed that it could take up to 30 hours just to read the entirety of Zoom's terms and conditions I wonder whether there's a single human being on Earth who has read the entire T&C word for word. I assume multiple authors drafted and edited specific chunks, so it may even be the case that even the lawyers who wrote it haven't read the full thing, yet users are expected to have done it in some vagu…

And how legally binding those T&C really are anyway?

Probably quite binding, unfortunately. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clickwrap#United_States

Re: We Call on FOSS Contributors to “Exit Zoom”

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Google Meet performance is pretty much up there for me these days. It's very rare that quality degrades for any of the use cases you described. Maybe it's gotten better, who knows.

It has gotten better — still noticeably worse than zoom

It’s gotten much worse for me. Usability and quality peaked for me when it was just a wrapper around webrtc, and allowed anonymous users.

Now it requires an app and google credentials on iOS, and the video quality seems worse to me.

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