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eSignature Beta for Google Docs and Google Drive
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#32Earlier quoted context omitted.
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Why is it unwarranted?
Maybe not necessarily unwarranted, but certainly unhelpful.
It doesn't really add to interesting/thoughtful discussion in the spirit of https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html.
Particularly:
> Don't be snarky. Converse curiously
> Eschew flamebait. Avoid generic tangents. Omit internet tropes.
These subthreads never really go anywhere, other than fan the flames of Google hate.
Again, not necessarily saying they're not warranted, but for folks looking for interesting discussion, it can certainly add noise to the signal.
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#33The important question is, when is Google going to kill this functionality? DocuSign only has to hold out until then.
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> Every HN thread.
No, not every HN thread, but "Every Google product".
This is an entirely valid concern borne out by history. Until Google goes to extraordinary measures to prove that it will be unusually long-lived, you should assume that it will be dead in a few years.
"The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results."
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#34The only chance for it to fly among the SMB in Brazil where DocuSign and ClickSign are the major players is by adding WhatsApp to the signature workflow. Notifications via email alone won't work.
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#35Bye bye Docusign?
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#36Earlier quoted context omitted.
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> Every HN thread. No, not every HN thread, but "Every Google product". This is an entirely valid concern borne out by history. Until Google goes to extraordinary measures to prove that it will be unusually long-lived, you should assume that it will be dead in a few years. "The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results."
by your logic we should go into every Show HN and say their project will be dead. historically most projects and companies die too after a few years.
but obviously that wouldn't be helpful for discussion or particularly insightful to spam, either.
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#37The important question is, when is Google going to kill this functionality? DocuSign only has to hold out until then.
I wonder what happens to documents that were signed with this thing after they kill the product.
Also, I wonder if the person signing the document has to agree to Google's entire ToS in order to sign the document.
Congress could fix both issues with some well-thought-out legislation:
- Signatures from these things have to support external validation via standard tools (e.g., Google uses PGP or whatever to sign the signature + document + metadata).
- If the act of accessing or signing a contract implicitly incorporates other contracts, then either (a) the signature is non-binding of (b) the incorporated contracts are rendered unenforceable, regardless of whether they were agreed to via other means.
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#38Is this targeted for the US market or also the EU? Does this qualify as a an advanced electronic signature (AdES) under the eIDAS regulation?
Author of open-pdf-sign here. AdES alone is difficult to do without proper signatures and user verification.
Besides that, if Google would go for advanced electronic signatures, I'd expect it showing up in the EU Trusted List, which it isn't. So unless Google is not utilizing their own Google Trust Services certificate authority, I'd say it's unlikely that they will launch with AdES that are compatible with eIDAS.
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#3914 months in testing, followed by a beta, is really moving too slow.
14 months in testing, 0 support of eIDAS, the main electronic signature regulation and platform in Europe.
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#40Earlier quoted context omitted.
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Maybe people would stop pattern-matching about it if there wasn't such an obvious pattern.
"people" don't. This is largely just a hn-ism which I've pretty much never heard outside of this bubble. In any case, repeating a cliche response on any news out of Google isn't any kind of substantive contribution to the discussion and makes for a poor hn comment even if it was true.