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Re: Vim Boss

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Post by H8crilA »

anon7331 wrote: post #30
coldtea wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Never meant to be cryptographically secure" should never go together with "encrypt/decrypt file capability". This can even mean someone's loss of life in the right (meaning wrong) regime, or property (e.g. storing bitcoin info there). It's like advertising a "self-driving technology" when your car needs human supervision to not crash and kill you or someone you fall into.

I am not sure it's so black and white with encryption. It depends on your threat model. Keeping it secure from an angry ex-girlfriend is one thing, but keeping it secure from a three letter agency is another. The mistake you are referring to is someone that assumes "encrypted" means three letter agency safe, which is a pretty terrible way to leverage encryption. In that case, it's exactly like hopping in a Tesla and…

This would make sense if only it wasn't faster to run AES_GCM or some other AEAD, than whatever they did there.

Re: Vim Boss

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Post by falcolas »

coldtea wrote: post #29
SpaceManNabs wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> because they believe it splits the Vim community and takes people power away from Vim development I don't understand this point, and I tried to parse it and still don't. (I understand that you are just relaying it). If vim maintainers don't want neovim to exist, they should have accepted the merges earlier. If they disagree with the merges (which I think they did), then that power doesn't belong in Vim anyways. edi…

> I don't understand this point, and I tried to parse it and still don't. (...) If vim maintainers don't want neovim to exist, they should have accepted the merges earlier. If they disagree with the merges (which I think they did), then that power doesn't belong in Vim anyways It's a very simple point to understand: whether the merges are good or not, the presence of a fork still "splits the Vim community and takes p…

What splits it more, IMO, is that neovim went in a non-compatible direction with many of their design choices. They have good arguments for doing so, but it still means that writing community plugins that can work with either version of vim is inherently harder.

Re: Vim Boss

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Post by topher200 »

bilekas wrote: post #8

So often we hear after someone dies how great they really where when infact they were like most people, a mixed bag. We all have ups and downs etc. There are some though that really do live up to the postmortem messages and for sure Bram is one of them, i was lucky to meet him and actually spend some time shooting shit with him. At the time i didn't realize how big a deal he was, it was only later i would actually ge…

I occasionally ponder on how frustrating it is that the deceased don't get to hear their eulogies. It would have been amazing for Bram to have been able to experience all the outpouring of support and love from people he is interacted with during his life. Especially in a context where the speakers aren't considering him as an audience -- they're sharing their deep and true feelings.

No one can really be sure how their acquaintances feel about them. Eulogies are the closest we get. Imagine if he were able to hear all these great things said about him... It would be such a joy.

Re: Vim Boss

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Post by parentheses »

Aside from the POSIX toolchain/kernel/etc and browser (which I'd use if it neatly embedded into vim), vim and its siblings are together the most used program on my machine.

It's only today that I am forced to think about this: One person drove that program from an idea in their head to a high-quality, hackable program that I've fallen in love with over the years! A program that I have used for so many hours, but has never crashed once (neovim does crash, but vim has never done this for me.) This is an impressive feat given the sheer volume of vim plugins and configurations I've gone through!

Thank you Bram! You built an amazing program and the community around it!

Re: Vim Boss

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Post by beachy »

topher200 wrote: post #34
bilekas wrote: post #8

So often we hear after someone dies how great they really where when infact they were like most people, a mixed bag. We all have ups and downs etc. There are some though that really do live up to the postmortem messages and for sure Bram is one of them, i was lucky to meet him and actually spend some time shooting shit with him. At the time i didn't realize how big a deal he was, it was only later i would actually ge…

I occasionally ponder on how frustrating it is that the deceased don't get to hear their eulogies. It would have been amazing for Bram to have been able to experience all the outpouring of support and love from people he is interacted with during his life. Especially in a context where the speakers aren't considering him as an audience -- they're sharing their deep and true feelings. No one can really be sure how the…

Off topic but your comment makes me think of Nick Drake. He died at 26, before even knowing he'd achieved anything, his music barely listened to, probably feeling a failure. Posthumously he's one of the world's most acclaimed recording artists. RIP Bram.

Re: Vim Boss

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Post by petre »

RetroTechie wrote: post #15

Thought a linked article: https://j11g.com/2023/08/07/the-legacy-of-bram-moolenaar/ By Jan van den Berg, was a better read. One quote: "Vim is a masterpiece, the gleaming precise machining tool from which so much of modernity was crafted". And then this link: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=eX9m3g5J-XA "7 Habits for Effective Text Editing 2.0" 1h20m - If anyone has a transcript or summary: plz. But this was funny - fir…

> As soon as I read "programmable", I'm off. I just prefer fixed-function editor that suits my taste

I never have to "program" Vim apart from set nocompatible, set ruler, backspace, indentation and maybe pick another colorscheme from the defaults (usually torte).

On neovim I installed lightline and pathogen, monokai colorscheme and something else I forgot about, maybe syntax highlighting for some more exotic language.

The point is Vim is a fixed function editor until you start loading it up like a xmas tree.

Re: Vim Boss

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Post by gitaarik »

Today at a train station in the Netherlands (Utrecht) I noticed something special. I saw the letters hjkl on the sign in reverse order. These letters indentify the platform areas where you can enter the train. Depending on the length of the platform and the area where the train has entrances, it shows the letters.

https://postimg.cc/mcCWhMXw

Either this was super coincidence, or someone at the NS (the Dutch train company) is a vim fan and payed tribute to Bram like this.

Re: Vim Boss

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Post by zgluck »

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benevolent_dictator_for_life has a list of BDFLs. Bram is the first BDFL in that list who has passed away. We're in for a generational shift the coming decade(s). It makes sense to prepare - that is how you preserve a legacy, and the community.

I've been impressed with how Bram's passing has been handled by his family and friends with respect to his legacy and the future of vim.

Re: Vim Boss

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Post by chaps »

Vim has had a legitimate impact on my life. Over the past 15 years I've been using it, "set -o vi" and similar in psql/ipython get added into my rc files almost immediately on a new host. Many, many hours upon hours of living in a shell have been made so much more enjoyable because of his work.

Thank you for posting this. Rest in peace, friend.

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