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GM confirms $130k Cadillac won’t have Apple CarPlay or Android Auto

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Re: GM confirms $130k Cadillac won’t have Apple CarPlay or Android Auto

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If they allow CarPlay or AA, they are essentially passing on a subscription service that could bring in additional revenue post sale. It's greedy and dumb.

I have seen quite a few add on modules for Tesla's that enhance the head unit functionality for minimal cost/effort. Eg. Wired and wireless "boxes" for Tesla's that allow CarPlay and Android Auto on aliexpress for $70.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is even worse than that - the CEO has this pipe dream that they are going to build a Netflix sized subscription business: https://techcrunch.com/2021/10/06/gm-aims-to-build-netflix-s...

> “Our research indicates that with the right mix of compelling offerings, customers are willing to spend $135 per month on average for products and services,” said Wexler. Assuming this is not a maintenance contract, who in their right mind will spend 135$ per month on "products and services" for their car?

Nobody

I think the CEO's gambit here is that she can keep the reality distortion field up long enough to land $100-150M in compensation by waving hands and saying the word AI.

Re: GM confirms $130k Cadillac won’t have Apple CarPlay or Android Auto

#33
To me it feels like GM realizes that Apple is commoditizing them. Making the car essentially a dumb-terminal for the Apple experience (as they want to do for other cars we well). GM now has a choice: (1) allow apple to make the GM car experience just like every manufacturer or (2) try to preserve some GM-ness in the experience.

GM's actions seem logical to me. But there's no way in hell I'm ever buying a GM if they stop me from using CarPlay. It's well demonstrated that they can't make good software.

Re: GM confirms $130k Cadillac won’t have Apple CarPlay or Android Auto

#34
post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is even worse than that - the CEO has this pipe dream that they are going to build a Netflix sized subscription business: https://techcrunch.com/2021/10/06/gm-aims-to-build-netflix-s...

> “Our research indicates that with the right mix of compelling offerings, customers are willing to spend $135 per month on average for products and services,” said Wexler. Assuming this is not a maintenance contract, who in their right mind will spend 135$ per month on "products and services" for their car?

Tesla FSD is $100/month, OnStar is $30-$50.

Re: GM confirms $130k Cadillac won’t have Apple CarPlay or Android Auto

#35

This sounds like someone is trying to empire build at GM to create their own version of carplay so they can be promoted.

This is more about having and being able to use the data collected from cars. Some auto execs have talked about being able to know your location and the music you're listening to there. Being able to bundle that data and use it is a way to make money.

The allure of money made via stalking and influence is hard to resist.

Re: GM confirms $130k Cadillac won’t have Apple CarPlay or Android Auto

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Good! Hopefully it will have no touchscreen either, only tactile buttons.

Hate to be the bearer of bad news... https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/24841937/I...

Is that a concept or a real shipping vehicle?

Oh god. It's the Cadillac from the article.

Re: GM confirms $130k Cadillac won’t have Apple CarPlay or Android Auto

#37
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> Instead of CarPlay or Android Auto, drivers will instead rely on the Escalade IQ’s included Google built-in infotainment software. It's called Android Automotive OS (not to be confused with Android Auto). Many OEMs are now using Android Automotive for infotainment, but also support CarPlay/AA. This is a terrible move, but GM is just trying to copy Tesla by controlling the entire UX and putting it some of it behind…

Darn. I got excited for a moment thinking that a major car manufacturer was selling a car that didn't have any infotainment features at all. Oh well.

Re: GM confirms $130k Cadillac won’t have Apple CarPlay or Android Auto

#38
I know some people at GM who work on in car interfaces. I remember asking one a few years ago why people would prefer an in-house solution over Carplay/Android Auto, and the answer I got was that there's a solid chance people won't. Guess we're about to find out.

Re: GM confirms $130k Cadillac won’t have Apple CarPlay or Android Auto

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It’s interesting to see how a lot of new gas cars have Apple CarPlay / Android Auto but all of the new EV cars are going towards custom OS which essentially leads to worse user experiences for manufacturers who aren’t well versed in software.

It's honestly insane. CarPlay does everything I want and the best part is it just works. A large part of that "it just works" is the fact that it's all based directly on my phone. * That restaurant we just decided to go to. Already in navigation. AND! the maps are all current with road closures/traffic issues. * The music that I was playing, it just keeps going * The garage door opener/lock/etc that I just added to H…

> It's honestly insane. CarPlay does everything I want and the best part is it just works. A large part of that "it just works" is the fact that it's all based directly on my phone.

The insanity goes both ways: I refuse to use a cellphone, so I will not buy a car that has Android or Apple stuff.

Hopefully I'll have other options than this $130k Cadillac, but it's good to know some automakers cater to my preferences too.

> That restaurant we just decided to go to. Already in navigation. AND! the maps are all current with road closures/traffic issues

Funny enough, getting a GPS without auto updates and offering a full offline experience is now a premium, but I'm happy to pay for the exact opposite of what you want: a GPS without auto navigation / user tracking / not being happy to work with old maps if I decide it should (customer is king, except for apps!)

Re: GM confirms $130k Cadillac won’t have Apple CarPlay or Android Auto

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post #22

> Instead of CarPlay or Android Auto, drivers will instead rely on the Escalade IQ’s included Google built-in infotainment software. It's called Android Automotive OS (not to be confused with Android Auto). Many OEMs are now using Android Automotive for infotainment, but also support CarPlay/AA. This is a terrible move, but GM is just trying to copy Tesla by controlling the entire UX and putting it some of it behind…

Darn. I got excited for a moment thinking that a major car manufacturer was selling a car that didn't have any infotainment features at all. Oh well.

Same :(
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