I suppose this is both good and bad. I wonder if Red Hat/IBM anticipated this, and how they will respond to it.
Why would they respond? This just confirms their position as the leader in the Linux space, doesn't it?
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#32Hrm. Just going to keep sticking with Debian and Ubuntu like I've been doing since ... wow, 1997.
For personal and small business needs, you can stick to whatever you'd like, even Arch Linux if that's your poison. That's not the aim of the announcement though.
It's my point though: rather than navigate between what RH is doing and what Oracle is doing, I'll just stick with a solid open source distribution. Lindy effect and all...
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#33I am SUSE-curious after all the drama and lost trust with RedHat and IBM but any partnership with Oracle makes me uncomfortable.
Well it was SCO back in the United Linux days--albeit it wasn't the evil SCO yet at that time. (Though as others have remarked, there's a different objective at play here.)
Wym? SUSE was owned by Novell, not SCO. Evil SCO stabbed Novell and SUSE in the back.
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#34I love how they throw Java into the trademarks section. Java isn't even mentioned anywhere. Looks like a case of Oracle being Oracle.
I think it's because they used the trademark "Oracle" so they just included Oracle's standard trademark disclaimer.
If you search for that paragraph, you'll find lots of examples of it being reproduced verbatim.
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#35Part of the justification at the time for getting rid of CentOS proper in favor of CentOS "Stream" was that poor Red Hat was doing all the work and spending all the cash in support of CentOS. Red Hat even went as far to say that the CentOS leadership (board?) was in full support.
Red Hat never allowed CentOS to have any kind of election. It was never a community driven project after Red Hat bought it.
So, very interesting to see these companies banding together to give us back CentOS by another name. It will be interesting to see what Rocky and Alma do.
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#36Part of the justification at the time for getting rid of CentOS proper in favor of CentOS "Stream" was that poor Red Hat was doing all the work and spending all the cash in support of CentOS. Red Hat even went as far to say that the CentOS leadership (board?) was in full support. Red Hat never allowed CentOS to have any kind of election. It was never a community driven project after Red Hat bought it. So, very intere…
CIQ is rocky.
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#37OpenSuse is wonderful
What's the differentiator from the Fedora/Centos/RHEL line?
For me: yast (easy to use GUI/TUI for many administration tasks — useful for less experienced admins), snapper (filesystem snapshot management tool which automatically creates them before and after package management operations and allows you to boot into them or roll back if anything goes wrong. Quite similar to FreeBSD boot environments.)
zypper is probably the best 'classic' package manager there is (although dnf is great too; it's more of an argument against Debian and its derivatives).
Then there is https://build.openbuildservice.org which automatically builds packages for all supported distributions and architectures from a single RPM spec file and creates a ready to use repository for you.
OpenSUSE Leap is built from SLES sources and is thus comparable in its stability guarantees to the old CentOS (or any of the current RHEL rebuilds).
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#38Part of the justification at the time for getting rid of CentOS proper in favor of CentOS "Stream" was that poor Red Hat was doing all the work and spending all the cash in support of CentOS. Red Hat even went as far to say that the CentOS leadership (board?) was in full support. Red Hat never allowed CentOS to have any kind of election. It was never a community driven project after Red Hat bought it. So, very intere…
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#39Earlier quoted context omitted.
Well it was SCO back in the United Linux days--albeit it wasn't the evil SCO yet at that time. (Though as others have remarked, there's a different objective at play here.)
Wym? SUSE was owned by Novell, not SCO. Evil SCO stabbed Novell and SUSE in the back.
SUSE was bought by Novell later. Per Wikipedia:
"United Linux was an attempt by a consortium of Linux distributors to create a common base distribution for enterprise use, so as to minimize duplication of engineering effort and form an effective competitor to Red Hat. The founding members of United Linux were SUSE, Turbolinux, Conectiva (now merged with MandrakeSoft to form Mandriva) and Caldera International (later renamed to The SCO Group). The consortium was announced on May 30, 2002. The end of the project was announced on January 22, 2004."
It never really worked from a business perspective but Caldera becoming faux-SCO was pretty much the final straw.
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#40Part of the justification at the time for getting rid of CentOS proper in favor of CentOS "Stream" was that poor Red Hat was doing all the work and spending all the cash in support of CentOS. Red Hat even went as far to say that the CentOS leadership (board?) was in full support. Red Hat never allowed CentOS to have any kind of election. It was never a community driven project after Red Hat bought it. So, very intere…
CIQ is rocky.
I was thinking one of the distros was backed by CIQ, but I couldn't remember which, thanks.