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Re: Uninstall the NightOwl app

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Post by runlaszlorun »

crazygringo wrote: post #21
kstrauser wrote: post #7

"WHEREAS, NightOwl app enables Users to share internet traffic by modifying their device’s network settings to be used as a gateway for internet traffic. Additionally, the User’s device acts as a gateway for NightOwl app’s Clients, including companies that specialize in web and market research, SEO, brand protection, content delivery, cybersecurity, etc." Fuck that with a chainsaw. Burn it. Burn it with fire.

So, usually I associate super-shady things with hiding the fact that they're super-shady. I'm thankful, but also genuinely curious, why they put this explicitly in their TOS. It just kind of seems to be like the kind of person/org who would implement this shady stuff in the first place, would also actively hide that they're doing it. Is there a legal reason that protects NightOwl by explicitly putting it in the TOS?…

I’m no lawyer but my guess is that the bar is so low for what’s actually legal- and no one generally reads these EULA’s- that it’s easier just to have it in there.

Re: Uninstall the NightOwl app

#33

Post by runlaszlorun »

agnosticmantis wrote: post #16
1970-01-01 wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>I hate silent takeovers so much. This is a great app idea. Monitor the app owner. If the owner changes overnight, alerts to the moon.

Until we learn that this monitoring app has itself been acquired. /s

Or if the browser companies themselves were owned by large corporate behemoths!

Wait…

Re: Uninstall the NightOwl app

#34

Post by WirelessGigabit »

barbazoo wrote: post #18
kstrauser wrote: post #7

"WHEREAS, NightOwl app enables Users to share internet traffic by modifying their device’s network settings to be used as a gateway for internet traffic. Additionally, the User’s device acts as a gateway for NightOwl app’s Clients, including companies that specialize in web and market research, SEO, brand protection, content delivery, cybersecurity, etc." Fuck that with a chainsaw. Burn it. Burn it with fire.

I guess "modifying their device’s network settings" is already covered under whatever permissions we had to give it to perform the original task of switching on/off dark mode? That's a bummer. Would be nice if app permissions were more granular if that's the case.

And this is the risk that operating system developers run when you take away features or you don't develop features that your userbase wants.

Look at the amount of Start Menu modifiers there are out there for Windows. All because Microsoft keeps on changing the start menu. Why? I don't know. I just want to get rid of the Recommended section, but I'm not allowed to.

Re: Uninstall the NightOwl app

#35

Post by sublinear »

crazygringo wrote: post #21
kstrauser wrote: post #7

"WHEREAS, NightOwl app enables Users to share internet traffic by modifying their device’s network settings to be used as a gateway for internet traffic. Additionally, the User’s device acts as a gateway for NightOwl app’s Clients, including companies that specialize in web and market research, SEO, brand protection, content delivery, cybersecurity, etc." Fuck that with a chainsaw. Burn it. Burn it with fire.

So, usually I associate super-shady things with hiding the fact that they're super-shady. I'm thankful, but also genuinely curious, why they put this explicitly in their TOS. It just kind of seems to be like the kind of person/org who would implement this shady stuff in the first place, would also actively hide that they're doing it. Is there a legal reason that protects NightOwl by explicitly putting it in the TOS?…

I'm not a lawyer, but the terms of service are an agreement with the user, so yes. They're not hiding anything because then they'd get sued.

If they didn't disclose "this shady stuff" then the user can try to resolve their dispute via remedies stipulated elsewhere.

Really there are several ways they could have gone about writing this agreement. This is probably the simplest for everyone. This is also how the bigger orgs write their agreements. They state their intent and you have to agree or fuck off.

The badly written agreements (what you were expecting) are less honest and try to explicitly have the user waive some rights entirely including any remedies in or out of court, but those can usually be deemed unenforceable because they violate established rights and precedent rulings.

Re: Uninstall the NightOwl app

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Post by TZubiri »

cpleppert wrote: post #15

>> It is an alternative to the built in macOS automatic mode which only switches when the user steps away from the computer. Huh? Setting a schedule/location for nightshift and setting the dark mode setting to auto will always change instantly. If you use a launcher or spotlight then a simple one line applescript can change the setting as well. (tell application "System Events" to tell appearance preferences to set d…

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Re: Uninstall the NightOwl app

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Post by NavinF »

crazygringo wrote: post #21
kstrauser wrote: post #7

"WHEREAS, NightOwl app enables Users to share internet traffic by modifying their device’s network settings to be used as a gateway for internet traffic. Additionally, the User’s device acts as a gateway for NightOwl app’s Clients, including companies that specialize in web and market research, SEO, brand protection, content delivery, cybersecurity, etc." Fuck that with a chainsaw. Burn it. Burn it with fire.

So, usually I associate super-shady things with hiding the fact that they're super-shady. I'm thankful, but also genuinely curious, why they put this explicitly in their TOS. It just kind of seems to be like the kind of person/org who would implement this shady stuff in the first place, would also actively hide that they're doing it. Is there a legal reason that protects NightOwl by explicitly putting it in the TOS?…

A lot of "free" VPN apps do the same thing and I haven't heard of any of them getting in legal trouble. It's kinda like running a tor exit node except most buyers just wanna borrow the user's IP to scrape sites that are otherwise impractical to scape with just a captcha solver due to aggressive blocking of non-residential ISPs and heavy rate limiting.

Re: Uninstall the NightOwl app

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Post by runlaszlorun »

ajkjk wrote: post #11

There's gotta be some law that could be passed about stuff like this. Software should have an implicit contract that it does what it says and not something wildly different than it, with harsh penalties for violations.

We should all have our own EULA’s that they implicitly agree to… lol.

I should start doing this with big websites. And of course my EULA is a 10MB file I’ll send with every request until they accept… :)

Can you imagine if that caught on? DDOS by EULA!

Re: Uninstall the NightOwl app

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Post by TheRealPomax »

WirelessGigabit wrote: post #23

> It also tries to open a UPnP port forward on your router, but fails on mine because the key names are jumbled: This should fail on any router as you should have UPnP disabled.

Let me tell you about family members that have a mac because "they don't want the hassle of a windows laptop". They also don't want the hassle of not having uPnP, that setting is going to be turned on whether you know better or not.

Re: Uninstall the NightOwl app

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Post by omgJustTest »

crazygringo wrote: post #21
kstrauser wrote: post #7

"WHEREAS, NightOwl app enables Users to share internet traffic by modifying their device’s network settings to be used as a gateway for internet traffic. Additionally, the User’s device acts as a gateway for NightOwl app’s Clients, including companies that specialize in web and market research, SEO, brand protection, content delivery, cybersecurity, etc." Fuck that with a chainsaw. Burn it. Burn it with fire.

So, usually I associate super-shady things with hiding the fact that they're super-shady. I'm thankful, but also genuinely curious, why they put this explicitly in their TOS. It just kind of seems to be like the kind of person/org who would implement this shady stuff in the first place, would also actively hide that they're doing it. Is there a legal reason that protects NightOwl by explicitly putting it in the TOS?…

Probably compelled by Apple, or removal from store.
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