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Successful room temperature ambient-pressure magnetic levitation of LK-99

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Wow, is this it? Is this the confirmation?

I believe there’s no way to stably suspend an object on permanent magnetic fields, so if this is stable and doesn’t fall down then it’s hard to argue superconductivity isn’t involved.

You can stably suspend graphite pencil lead on permanent magnetic fields. E.G.: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yeIizmhzPQc

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Why are folks trying to prove that this material is a superconductor in roundabout ways, like levitation, dimagnetism, etc? What is the reason they don't just test to see if electrical current flows without resistance? Surely there is something I am missing here.

Purely speculating, but might it be easy to doubt resistance measurements by claiming that equipment was faulty or used incorrectly?

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There have been quite a few papers about LK-99, but the only thing I want to see is whether we observer sudden drop of resistance to zero below the critical temperature that is well above the room temperature at ambient pressure or not. So far, I haven't seen one.

That's not a trivial measurement with a small sample.

Typically you measure resistance that small like this:

     +-
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The + and - leads send a reference current (using something called a 'current source[1]', a specialist supply that cranks the voltage up and down to maintain a steady current, within some arbitrary range, usually from a few mV to 10's or even 100's of volts) that you pick (not so low that you won't get a voltage, not so high that you exceed the expected maximum current for the cross section that you are measuring) down the two leads to the sample and then you measure the voltage across the two points 'p' using the other two leads. This is similar to using a shunt for measuring a current, only now you are interested in the resistance of 'sample'. It also elegantly rules out accidentally measuring the resistance of the probe wires and has the added advantage that you can measure the voltage almost without drawing a current (though at such low resistance you have to take great care to ensure that your measurement doesn't consume a disproportionally large chunk of the reference current). If 'sample' is a nice fat chunk of material you can expect an accurate result because it will be easy to attach to in a reliable way, you can use a lot of current and the sample is large enough to have a resistance high enough that the voltage you are measuring is well outside of the noise. But for a small sample the resistance is almost always going to be very small and the difference between a few nanovolts and zero are hard to distinguish. So that's why you won't be seeing any conclusive measurements of the real resistance (or zero) until larger samples can be made, long enough to show a sizeable voltage drop or none at all.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Current_source

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Why are folks trying to prove that this material is a superconductor in roundabout ways, like levitation, dimagnetism, etc? What is the reason they don't just test to see if electrical current flows without resistance? Surely there is something I am missing here.

It’s difficult to rule out external factors - a badly attached probe could also result in zero resistance for example. Showing diamagnetism is one of the least error-prone ways to demonstrate the superconductor effect. That’s my understanding anyway.

> a badly attached probe could also result in zero resistance for example

No, a badly attached probe would usually show a larger resistance, not a smaller one. That's actually the easiest error to make, making improper contact with the sample. The resistance is measured indirectly using a reference current. So you'd measure a higher resistance or a break rather than zero if a probe were not attached correctly (unless the two voltage probes are touching but that would normally speaking be spotted).

The diamagnetism is simply easier to verify using an impure or small sample.

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Why are folks trying to prove that this material is a superconductor in roundabout ways, like levitation, dimagnetism, etc? What is the reason they don't just test to see if electrical current flows without resistance? Surely there is something I am missing here.

Not an expert, but I would guess a direct measurement couldn't distinguish between a true superconductor and something with very very low resistance.

Re: Successful room temperature ambient-pressure magnetic levitation of LK-99

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Why are folks trying to prove that this material is a superconductor in roundabout ways, like levitation, dimagnetism, etc? What is the reason they don't just test to see if electrical current flows without resistance? Surely there is something I am missing here.

I have heard people much more knowledgeable than me say that measuring true zero resistance is actually quite difficult and takes some degree of specialized equipment, especially with such small samples. That may be part of it.

Just getting the probes to connect reliably is tricky. depending on how large the superconducting features are it may be anywhere from just difficult to next to impossible to do accurately (for instance, if the size of the superconducting features is smaller than the probe size).

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Seems to be the same one that had a video a couple of days ago https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36953396 Back then, many asked if this was superconduction or merely diamagnetism. Does the new paper shine any light on this question?

The paper shows a clear phase transition to diamagnetism as the material is cooled. That would be seen in superconductors and not in regular diamagnetic materials. I'm not aware of any that have that kind of phase transition. Though since we're in weird territory here, it's important to note some weird non-superconductor behavior that's beyond regular diamagnetism might be going on as an alternative explanation. But…

What temperature?
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