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Re: IRS launches paperless processing initiative

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post #17

How about this: let’s go to a single flat rate for everyone and everything (say 20%) and eliminate all deductions except for a standard deduction (say whatever is the poverty line, eg $25000 or so). This would be for corporations and individuals. Now your taxes can be filed on a postcard. And the IRS can preprint it and send it to you, with an online code or something to click “ok” on a web site and be done. The gove…

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Re: IRS launches paperless processing initiative

#32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>it is only the minority of DIY taxpayers who insist on paper filing their income tax returns This is a gross misrepresentation of the situation. Being forced to chop down and bleach trees if you don’t want to pay a bribe to a rent seeking company that lobbies directly against your interests is not “insisting on paper filing” at all.

So you are claiming that not wanting to do one thing means you are forced to do some other thing? It is a choice, nothing is "forced". More importantly, you don't have to "pay a bribe to a rent-seeking company" (talk about gross misrepresentation!), the IRS offers free online filing to everyone (and I'm not talking about the "Free file alliance" with tax software vendors, but a direct service from the IRS). https://w…

> the IRS offers free online filing to everyone

Not to dual-status individuals for example. Those individuals must mail/fax their return to IRS.

Re: IRS launches paperless processing initiative

#33
They currently don't allow individuals to e-file unless they either:

1. Acquire commercial software, or; 2. Hire a paid preparer to file it, or; 3. Use "Free File Fillable Forms" (but this isn't an option if you fall into one of the numerous special cases that it doesn't support)

So, basically, mailing in a paper return is the only free option for some people (myself included).

I genuinely don't understand why paid preparers can e-file directly with the IRS, but individuals can't. There's nothing in the linked article that says this will change, so if they go ahead and ban paper filing in a couple years, I'm not sure what options are left for people like me.

Yes, I can easily afford to shell out for software or a paid preparer if I really have to, but I'm very much against doing this on principle, since the whole tax prep industry in the US is a huge rent-seeking racket.

Re: IRS launches paperless processing initiative

#34
post #17

How about this: let’s go to a single flat rate for everyone and everything (say 20%) and eliminate all deductions except for a standard deduction (say whatever is the poverty line, eg $25000 or so). This would be for corporations and individuals. Now your taxes can be filed on a postcard. And the IRS can preprint it and send it to you, with an online code or something to click “ok” on a web site and be done. The gove…

So how would the government now incentivize things it wants and disincentives things it doesn't want?

Most recently I improved insulation at my house. I was surprised to see an IRS form that gives me tax advantages for making my home more energy efficient. How would the government now do this?

Re: IRS launches paperless processing initiative

#35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>it is only the minority of DIY taxpayers who insist on paper filing their income tax returns This is a gross misrepresentation of the situation. Being forced to chop down and bleach trees if you don’t want to pay a bribe to a rent seeking company that lobbies directly against your interests is not “insisting on paper filing” at all.

So you are claiming that not wanting to do one thing means you are forced to do some other thing? It is a choice, nothing is "forced". More importantly, you don't have to "pay a bribe to a rent-seeking company" (talk about gross misrepresentation!), the IRS offers free online filing to everyone (and I'm not talking about the "Free file alliance" with tax software vendors, but a direct service from the IRS). https://w…

Free Fillable Forms is run by "On-Line Taxes, Inc", not the IRS. It's not a direct service.

Re: IRS launches paperless processing initiative

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post #33

They currently don't allow individuals to e-file unless they either: 1. Acquire commercial software, or; 2. Hire a paid preparer to file it, or; 3. Use "Free File Fillable Forms" (but this isn't an option if you fall into one of the numerous special cases that it doesn't support) So, basically, mailing in a paper return is the only free option for some people (myself included). I genuinely don't understand why paid p…

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35950836

Re: IRS launches paperless processing initiative

#37
post #33

They currently don't allow individuals to e-file unless they either: 1. Acquire commercial software, or; 2. Hire a paid preparer to file it, or; 3. Use "Free File Fillable Forms" (but this isn't an option if you fall into one of the numerous special cases that it doesn't support) So, basically, mailing in a paper return is the only free option for some people (myself included). I genuinely don't understand why paid p…

Correct me if I’m wrong, but my understanding is that paid preparers can only e file if they are using a commercial software package that supports it such as Lacerte.

Re: IRS launches paperless processing initiative

#38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

[citation needed]

Hearsay from my friend who lives abroad and who was attending a Democrats abroad function and they kicked him out of the meeting after he suggested that they pass a rule that anybody who could be eligible to be elected to the board of directors should be able to pass a basic tax audit. There was support in the audience but the organizers immediately banned him. There are stories of the IRS being used as a political w…

There are stories of alien abductions floating around online as well.

Re: IRS launches paperless processing initiative

#39
post #17

How about this: let’s go to a single flat rate for everyone and everything (say 20%) and eliminate all deductions except for a standard deduction (say whatever is the poverty line, eg $25000 or so). This would be for corporations and individuals. Now your taxes can be filed on a postcard. And the IRS can preprint it and send it to you, with an online code or something to click “ok” on a web site and be done. The gove…

Sounds great, except a flat tax rate is extremely regressive so you either tank the amount of tax revenue the government collects, or you punish low income earners far more than wealthy individuals.

My state has flat tax rate of federal taxable income (after deductions). Most years its free online filing and typing 5 or 6 numbers. Takes five minutes. The tax softwares dont like that because they get half their income from state filings.

I dislike that I dont get the long term capital gains discount like on federal.

Re: IRS launches paperless processing initiative

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The regressive aspect of it is offset by the large standard deduction.

That still won't solve the issue. The reason for progressive taxation is that there simply isn't a tax rate that allows you to both sufficiently fund the government and doesn't punish low income earners. The gulf between what the lowest and highest earners make is simply so vast that you can't do it without progressive taxation.

I disagree. “Funding the government “ is a policy decision; everyone needs to live within a budget. Secondly, eliminating all deductions except a standard deduction actually increases funding by avoiding the situation where megacorps don’t pay any taxes.
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