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Sigh, this is what browsing the web in the EU looks like nowadays (2021)

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Re: Sigh, this is what browsing the web in the EU looks like nowadays (2021)

#31
That's what the companies make browsing the web in the EU look like nowadays. It's their decision to abuse us - and the law - and it is on them to fix it. If you check the enforcement tracker you can get an idea of what the tip of the iceberg looks like, the data that's lost/sold/leaked. Then take into account that just like with a real iceberg the bulk of the leaks and breaches goes unreported (and probably a large fraction of them goes undetected until the data shows up on some marketplace).

Until the GDPR a lot of this went on anyway, but totally invisible, now at least we have some idea of the magnitude of the problem and companies have an incentive to at least try to get it right. Not that many of them do. People that are categorically against government regulation tend to point at this and say 'see: that's what you get'. But they forget that in the relationship between companies and individuals it is the companies that on balance have the most power and there is ample evidence that this power then gets abused. Hence regulation. I'm all for tightening the rules another notch or two and adding a zero to the average fine. Because there is still a lot of room for improvement.

Re: Sigh, this is what browsing the web in the EU looks like nowadays (2021)

#33

Lately, I've been having developers and designers on my team install each of the three major browsers without plugins and visit five of the "top 10 media sites" ( https://www.similarweb.com/top-websites/news-and-media/ ), plus twitter, facebook and linkedin for a total of two hours so they see what the web looks like for regular users. It doesn't take long for people to realize just how terrible 25 years of accumulat…

I'm quite literally shocked whenever I have to use a relative's computer for a bit.

Re: Sigh, this is what browsing the web in the EU looks like nowadays (2021)

#35

And think, if website operators chose to actually use the DoNotTrack signal from your browser, you wouldn't have such a terrible experience on their websites.

Wasn't there an incident where a browser shipped with DoNotTrack enabled by default, and thus the signal didn't actually mean the user explicitly enabled DNT themselves?

That was one of the excuses used by some major websites to justify ignoring the DNT signal, yes.

The argument is transparent self-serving BS, though.

Re: Sigh, this is what browsing the web in the EU looks like nowadays (2021)

#36

But you know that the problem are we operators - right? There could be browser configuration for the cookie consent popup (accept, essential, reject all) that websites could follow but now - they prefer to be obnoxious about it hoping that everyone will click "allow" pit of boredom (not to mention that at the beginning it was only visible option and reject was hidden, which was illegal)...

This. It boggles the mind that browser vendors (and standards committee) haven‘t come up with a preferences page for cookie consent. Expose that through JS and/or send it to the server via a HTTP header.

Re: Sigh, this is what browsing the web in the EU looks like nowadays (2021)

#38
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What could you possibly mean? Government made it so much better. How else would you know that the cookies (you're going to consent to anyway) are being put on your computer?

It’s more about training people to automatically click “accept” without reading anything. That’s security best practice for a continent?

It’s also not what EU law requires. All the many websites that make it easier for people in the EU to accept the tracking than to decline it, as common as that pattern is, are non-compliant. Under-enforcement of these rules is sadly the norm. Compliant websites, such as that of the European Commission, don’t make it any harder to dismiss the dialog by accepting only essential cookies than by accepting all of them.

I agree with you that the non-compliant approach teaches a bad security practice to the general population. The fix is better enforcement of existing law, without a new law actually being needed except possibly a better procedure for more effective enforcement.

Unfortunately, achieving that is hard for political reasons. The EU’s politicians, and therefore the data protection authorities whom they oversee, care mostly about seeming to protect privacy, whatever the reality, and don’t want to deal with the economic + lobbying + PR + political donation + therefore electoral consequences of routinely taking proper and timely action. This is especially true for some of the most regulatorily captured data protection authorities in the EU, such as Ireland’s.

Re: Sigh, this is what browsing the web in the EU looks like nowadays (2021)

#39
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Instead of hating the EU, how about directing your hate towards the bad players of the web? Cookie banners are not the fault of the EU, but the fault of companies disrespecting privacy rights and pushing data collection, ads and all possible shady growth hacking strategies towards the user. I am glad that a government body actually made this possible and made visible how horrible the internet is.

A bad bandaid is still a bad thing, regardless of what it is covering up. Cookies are table stakes on the internet. This is the wrong solution to a completely different problem.

Re: Sigh, this is what browsing the web in the EU looks like nowadays (2021)

#40
post #10

And think, if website operators chose to actually use the DoNotTrack signal from your browser, you wouldn't have such a terrible experience on their websites.

Just a guess, but even people that don't want to be tracked choose the easy "accept everything" button than spending the time to customize the tracking. If companies DoNotTrack, they will have fewer people opting-in for tracking.

> even people that don't want to be tracked choose the easy "accept everything" button

The design of these consent forms is often so obscure I end up in some menu system with too much information I didn't want, and no hotkeys to go back except leave the website.

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