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Re: Temple OS Theme for Arch Linux

#31

Post by kstrauser »

williamcotton wrote: post #21
kstrauser wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's sad and I feel for anyone whose mental illness drives wedges between them and society. I can't imagine many things more horrifying than to be a sentient mind trapped in a brain determined to play tricks on it. That said, you can't just let someone with those issues spew awfulness even if it's caused by a medical condition. That's a rough situation for the person being banned but I'm not sure what the less bad…

Sure you can, you just recognize that the person saying it is a very different kind of person. Who was actually offended by Terry’s schizophrenic ramblings? Is the n word really that disturbing when used by someone without a firm grasp on reality and in the midst of a word salad? Is it racist or just nonsense? “Rule are rules”… well, people in wheelchairs get a different set of rules and I’m perfectly fine sacrificin…

> Is the n word really that disturbing when used by someone without a firm grasp on reality and in the midst of a word salad?

Yes. Absolutely. 100%. While I get what you're saying, it's not on the recipient of an n-bomb to look up the person who just called them the n-word to judge their mental competency.

> “Rule are rules”… well, people in wheelchairs get a different set of rules and I’m perfectly fine sacrificing some of my own personal comfort to make accommodations.

I vehemently disagree. I can't think of any way that making accommodations for wheelchair friendliness inconveniences anyone. The doors and aisles are wider? That's great when I'm carrying a large box! Text is printed largely and in high contrast for people with vision impairments? Yay, now I can read it more easily!

I'm not saying Terry was a bad person. However, his illness caused him to say some outlandishly awful stuff to people. Why should they have to endure having those epithets hurled at them?

Re: Temple OS Theme for Arch Linux

#32

Post by chmod600 »

Paul-Craft wrote: post #11
OfSanguineFire wrote: post #5

As someone who first knew Terry Davis from Slashdot where his clearly mentally ill posts seemed to get downvoted a lot of the time, it is remarkable to see that the products of his madness have become regarded as real art with staying power. He is like the Adolf Wölfli of the hacker crowd.

TempleOS is actually pretty cool, when viewed as the product of one man's dream. How many people can say they've written a 64-bit, multi-core, protected mode OS that comes with its own programming language? Then, throw in a flight simulator game, just for giggles. Honestly, if it weren't the product of religious delusions common with schizophrenia, I'd say TempleOS and HolyC would be more than enough of a resume to g…

For someone so delusional, it's interesting that he was effective enough to do anything. How far detached from reality can you be and still create something that objectively works?

Could someone delusional also create a rocket ship? Or is there something special about programming that makes it compatible with delusional thinking?

Re: Temple OS Theme for Arch Linux

#33

Post by 29athrowaway »

peyton wrote: post #26
pengaru wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> We can only do 640x480, 16-bit color depth. Heresy! 16-color (4-bit)

Ring 0 only. Ring 3 is like wearing three condoms. God wants us to be close to the hardware.

That is divine intellect right there.

Re: Temple OS Theme for Arch Linux

#34

Post by Paul-Craft »

chmod600 wrote: post #32
Paul-Craft wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

TempleOS is actually pretty cool, when viewed as the product of one man's dream. How many people can say they've written a 64-bit, multi-core, protected mode OS that comes with its own programming language? Then, throw in a flight simulator game, just for giggles. Honestly, if it weren't the product of religious delusions common with schizophrenia, I'd say TempleOS and HolyC would be more than enough of a resume to g…

For someone so delusional, it's interesting that he was effective enough to do anything. How far detached from reality can you be and still create something that objectively works? Could someone delusional also create a rocket ship? Or is there something special about programming that makes it compatible with delusional thinking?

"Delusional thinking" is a pretty broad umbrella. There's nothing that's fundamentally incompatible with a delusional thought process per se, but the particulars might be a problem.

In Terry's case, it sounded like he suffered from a lot of delusions of persecution (e.g. thinking the CIA is after him), and religious delusions. Neither of these are fundamentally incompatible with any sort of technical or scientific thought process. Had he not been delusional, I suspect we might either never have heard of him, or he'd be one of the people making the front page of HN on a semi-regular basis.

Re: Temple OS Theme for Arch Linux

#35

Post by Hasu »

chmod600 wrote: post #32
Paul-Craft wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

TempleOS is actually pretty cool, when viewed as the product of one man's dream. How many people can say they've written a 64-bit, multi-core, protected mode OS that comes with its own programming language? Then, throw in a flight simulator game, just for giggles. Honestly, if it weren't the product of religious delusions common with schizophrenia, I'd say TempleOS and HolyC would be more than enough of a resume to g…

For someone so delusional, it's interesting that he was effective enough to do anything. How far detached from reality can you be and still create something that objectively works? Could someone delusional also create a rocket ship? Or is there something special about programming that makes it compatible with delusional thinking?

> Could someone delusional also create a rocket ship? Or is there something special about programming that makes it compatible with delusional thinking?

Newton studied alchemy and Linus Pauling believed against all evidence that vitamin C cured cancer and basically everything else. Humans are very good at applying their (ir)rationality to certain subfields while abandoning it in others.

Re: Temple OS Theme for Arch Linux

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Post by EgregiousCube »

Paul-Craft wrote: post #11
OfSanguineFire wrote: post #5

As someone who first knew Terry Davis from Slashdot where his clearly mentally ill posts seemed to get downvoted a lot of the time, it is remarkable to see that the products of his madness have become regarded as real art with staying power. He is like the Adolf Wölfli of the hacker crowd.

TempleOS is actually pretty cool, when viewed as the product of one man's dream. How many people can say they've written a 64-bit, multi-core, protected mode OS that comes with its own programming language? Then, throw in a flight simulator game, just for giggles. Honestly, if it weren't the product of religious delusions common with schizophrenia, I'd say TempleOS and HolyC would be more than enough of a resume to g…

Sort of related, I was browsing the github of the author of the Hyprland wayland compositor to see what else he's built. Smiled at https://github.com/vaxerski/Holy6800 - I love this kind of useless but cool project.

Re: Temple OS Theme for Arch Linux

#37

Post by Paul-Craft »

Hasu wrote: post #35
chmod600 wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For someone so delusional, it's interesting that he was effective enough to do anything. How far detached from reality can you be and still create something that objectively works? Could someone delusional also create a rocket ship? Or is there something special about programming that makes it compatible with delusional thinking?

> Could someone delusional also create a rocket ship? Or is there something special about programming that makes it compatible with delusional thinking? Newton studied alchemy and Linus Pauling believed against all evidence that vitamin C cured cancer and basically everything else. Humans are very good at applying their (ir)rationality to certain subfields while abandoning it in others.

I'll give you Pauling, but Newton studying alchemy in the 17th and 18th centuries would have been far from delusional when you consider "Robert Boyle pioneered the scientific method in chemical investigations"[0] around that time. According to the same Wikipedia article, it was only sometime between 1720-1740 when "alchemy" came to mean "attempts to transmute other materials into gold." Newton died in 1726.

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[0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alchemy#Later_modern_period

Re: Temple OS Theme for Arch Linux

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Post by DicIfTEx »

Paul-Craft wrote: post #24
kstrauser wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's sad and I feel for anyone whose mental illness drives wedges between them and society. I can't imagine many things more horrifying than to be a sentient mind trapped in a brain determined to play tricks on it. That said, you can't just let someone with those issues spew awfulness even if it's caused by a medical condition. That's a rough situation for the person being banned but I'm not sure what the less bad…

Absolutely agree 100%. One other terrible thing about mental illness like that (as if there needed to be another) is that it's really, really hard for people with mental illness to navigate the healthcare system to get proper treatment. Even I've experienced this, with ADHD. I joke that I take medication to remember to take my medication, and that's sometimes kinda true. I can only imagine what it would be like with…

I remember learning the ‘Rule of Thirds’ in relation to schizophrenia prognoses:

> According to this rule, one third of patients will have just a single psychotic episode during their lifetime; another third will experience different psychotic episodes that will recede without causing much deterioration and they will preserve psychosocial functioning; and the final third will present psychotic symptoms continually, as well as suffering notable deterioration and functional incapacity.

[From this source I just found now: https://www.clinicbarcelona.org/en/assistance/diseases/schiz... ]

Re: Temple OS Theme for Arch Linux

#39

Post by diath »

Paul-Craft wrote: post #11
OfSanguineFire wrote: post #5

As someone who first knew Terry Davis from Slashdot where his clearly mentally ill posts seemed to get downvoted a lot of the time, it is remarkable to see that the products of his madness have become regarded as real art with staying power. He is like the Adolf Wölfli of the hacker crowd.

TempleOS is actually pretty cool, when viewed as the product of one man's dream. How many people can say they've written a 64-bit, multi-core, protected mode OS that comes with its own programming language? Then, throw in a flight simulator game, just for giggles. Honestly, if it weren't the product of religious delusions common with schizophrenia, I'd say TempleOS and HolyC would be more than enough of a resume to g…

> Honestly, if it weren't the product of religious delusions common with schizophrenia, I'd say TempleOS and HolyC would be more than enough of a resume to get hired into many programming jobs.

He actually was employed as a programmer before the whole schizophrenia/TempleOS arc.

Re: Temple OS Theme for Arch Linux

#40

Post by branon »

kstrauser wrote: post #31
williamcotton wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure you can, you just recognize that the person saying it is a very different kind of person. Who was actually offended by Terry’s schizophrenic ramblings? Is the n word really that disturbing when used by someone without a firm grasp on reality and in the midst of a word salad? Is it racist or just nonsense? “Rule are rules”… well, people in wheelchairs get a different set of rules and I’m perfectly fine sacrificin…

> Is the n word really that disturbing when used by someone without a firm grasp on reality and in the midst of a word salad? Yes. Absolutely. 100%. While I get what you're saying, it's not on the recipient of an n-bomb to look up the person who just called them the n-word to judge their mental competency. > “Rule are rules”… well, people in wheelchairs get a different set of rules and I’m perfectly fine sacrificing…

> I can't think of any way that making an accommodation wheelchair friendly inconveniences anyway.

Well, I've sacrificed a heck of a lot of great parking spaces to accommodate the differently-abled.

> Why should they have to endure having those epithets hurled at them?

I contest that the mere act of reading or hearing certain words could be construed as a task of "endurance" - one is perfectly free to avoid reading or hearing such things if one finds them overtaxing.

On the other hand, if one chooses to "endure" for a moment, one might realize that the schizophrenic delusions of a madman have little bearing on the exact epithets being "hurled" (hurled where? Nowhere in particular, unless one glows in the dark!)

Sticks and stones... RIP Terry. I also don't mind that he was banned from here though, as much as I'm for unfettered speech, if the person in charge decided they didn't wish to host his, that was their prerogative. Terry certainly had other outlets.

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