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Re: Paperlike Color: Color E-Ink Monitor

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Post by bornfreddy »

mcny wrote: post #21
Version467 wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To relieve eye strain. Reading on an e-ink screen is so much more comfortable than on any emissive monitor. With current tech the downside is of course reduced refresh rate as well as low color contrast. Depending on the workload, that might be a worthy trade off. I tried coding on a grayscale eink display for a while and noticed a big difference in eye strain and overall concentration levels after a long session. Bu…

> To relieve eye strain. I think this will expose another, possibly larger, problem. My room is too poorly lit other than the screen. If there is no light coming from the screen, I am forced to turn on a light to read the screen. Maybe that's a good thing, I am not sure.

Some people have an inverse problem - it is difficult to position a monitor so that it doesn't reflect a window. This technology sounds perfect for that.

Re: Paperlike Color: Color E-Ink Monitor

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Post by ZiiS »

no_wizard wrote: post #25
Pet_Ant wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think eInk will ever be capable of video-like refresh rates. It's had plenty of benefits, but refresh rates may never catch up. I have a secondary monitor dedicated to Slack, Teams, and Outlook. That would be perfect for this as it doesn't update often and the content is mostly static.

I don’t know that there is any technical reason why e-ink can’t develop a better refresh rate to match what we are used to, at least theoretically. I don’t think its refresh rates are capped in that way. The real problem is cost of course. Part of that is e-ink is still governed under a patent you must license and pay royalties to if I recall correctly

The ink has to actually move; all sorts of physics sets hard caps to the refresh rate. Not saying they won't improve from what we have; but compared to the switch time of an OLED this isn't just lack of investment.

Re: Paperlike Color: Color E-Ink Monitor

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Post by scandum »

chrisco255 wrote: post #5

Why make this for a desktop? E-ink is mostly useful for wireless applications and anywhere power is limited or there's a need for always on, static display.

There's likely a market for office workers since there's a significant reduction of stress on the eyes.

You'd save about 0.5 kwh a day in electricity, more if the AC is running. So I could see them becoming popular once the price comes down. People who run 2 monitors might be interested as well.

Re: Paperlike Color: Color E-Ink Monitor

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Post by Brian_K_White »

no_wizard wrote: post #25
Pet_Ant wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think eInk will ever be capable of video-like refresh rates. It's had plenty of benefits, but refresh rates may never catch up. I have a secondary monitor dedicated to Slack, Teams, and Outlook. That would be perfect for this as it doesn't update often and the content is mostly static.

I don’t know that there is any technical reason why e-ink can’t develop a better refresh rate to match what we are used to, at least theoretically. I don’t think its refresh rates are capped in that way. The real problem is cost of course. Part of that is e-ink is still governed under a patent you must license and pay royalties to if I recall correctly

Eink works by physically moving bits of material around in a viscous liquid. You can refine that (use stronger electric field, stronger reacting pigments, less-viscous fluid, thinner layer for smaller travel distance) but never get around it.

Re: Paperlike Color: Color E-Ink Monitor

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Post by Pet_Ant »

chrisco255 wrote: post #5

Why make this for a desktop? E-ink is mostly useful for wireless applications and anywhere power is limited or there's a need for always on, static display.

Well it is arguably easier on the eyes for reading so it'd me great for terminals or for browsing documentation, content with little movement but lots of reading. I'd like to see this on a netbook to get better battery life and still be able to use emacs and remotely logging into systems. Just to carry around in a backpack while being on call.

Re: Paperlike Color: Color E-Ink Monitor

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Post by asoneth »

mcny wrote: post #21
Version467 wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To relieve eye strain. Reading on an e-ink screen is so much more comfortable than on any emissive monitor. With current tech the downside is of course reduced refresh rate as well as low color contrast. Depending on the workload, that might be a worthy trade off. I tried coding on a grayscale eink display for a while and noticed a big difference in eye strain and overall concentration levels after a long session. Bu…

> To relieve eye strain. I think this will expose another, possibly larger, problem. My room is too poorly lit other than the screen. If there is no light coming from the screen, I am forced to turn on a light to read the screen. Maybe that's a good thing, I am not sure.

> Maybe that's a good thing, I am not sure.

If you are young or if you are old with eyestrain issues it may be worth your while to learn about things like bias lighting, blue filters, PWM dimming, etc.

If you are old with good vision then I guess just keep doing what works :)

Re: Paperlike Color: Color E-Ink Monitor

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Post by packetlost »

dbingham wrote: post #12

That refresh rate is pretty awesome. ...if that's real, and I'm a little skeptical, I kinda want a remarkable with one of these screens. That would be amazing. The poor refresh rate is one of the few things I don't love about my remarkable.

One of my coworkers has the grayscale version of that. The refresh rate goes up to maybe 20Hz on "fast mode" which sacrifices quality for speed. It looks pretty good regardless, but IMO the real benefit of these screens is in consuming long-form text content.

My ReMarkable 2 has a perfectly fine refresh rate, especially for writing/drawing. Is yours the first gen maybe?

Re: Paperlike Color: Color E-Ink Monitor

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Post by discordance »

ajdude wrote: post #6
tromp wrote: post #2

I found the product page [1] [EDIT: older grayscale version] and this article [2] from June last year slightly more informative. [1] https://shop.dasung.com/products/dasung-25-3-e-ink-monitor-p... [2] https://goodereader.com/blog/electronic-readers/first-look-a...

For an e-ink monitor, I was expecting it to cost much more.

so you don’t have to click through, it’s $1,748.00 USD

Re: Paperlike Color: Color E-Ink Monitor

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Post by jadbox »

otachack wrote: post #37

This is really cool. It does make me miss the Pebble watch though as they dove into color e-ink for certain models as well. They seemed way ahead of the time and it's such a shame they couldn't make it through.

It looks like it's under 30fps though to me... not sure if videos would be that watchable?
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