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Worldcoin: A solution in search of its problem

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Re: Worldcoin: A solution in search of its problem

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Once again it is completely ignored that the whole online identity thing is a solved problem, in the EU. Millions of Europeans use eIDAS apps daily and enjoy single-sign-on across EU websites, can sign docs, make payments etc. etc. And there’s no privacy issues thanks to the GDPR, which it turns out is not just about cookie popups The tech is there, it works today, without crypto bullshit, and it is extremely useful.…

Reminds how US centric a lot of crypto companies are. An advantage of crypto that often comes up is “instant and cheap money transfers”. In the UK, I transfer money to my friends instantaneously and for free using just my bank account.

> In the UK, I transfer money to my friends instantaneously and for free using just my bank account.

You can do the same thing in the US. The problem is that businesses can't easily do this without collecting bank routing information from customers, which is effectively "secret" because it allows anyone to debit money directly from their bank account, so they're reluctant to provide it.

What's needed is a low- or no-fee system for requesting payments from someone without collecting any secrets from them. The technology to do this is not hard -- use public key cryptography, or just require the customer to approve merchants before they can make debits. But the customer's bank has little incentive to implement this because the customer won't choose a different bank over it and meanwhile the banks own the credit processing networks charging the high fees.

Which is why people are looking for an external solution.

Re: Worldcoin: A solution in search of its problem

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post #8

Once again it is completely ignored that the whole online identity thing is a solved problem, in the EU. Millions of Europeans use eIDAS apps daily and enjoy single-sign-on across EU websites, can sign docs, make payments etc. etc. And there’s no privacy issues thanks to the GDPR, which it turns out is not just about cookie popups The tech is there, it works today, without crypto bullshit, and it is extremely useful.…

I think how crypto springs because commercial systems are lacking (like, Mint/Plaid compared to the OFX standard for gnucash). The reason crypto seems viable is because US banking sucks. The reason these ID schemes exist is because the US doesn't have eIDAS.

Re: Worldcoin: A solution in search of its problem

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post #8

Once again it is completely ignored that the whole online identity thing is a solved problem, in the EU. Millions of Europeans use eIDAS apps daily and enjoy single-sign-on across EU websites, can sign docs, make payments etc. etc. And there’s no privacy issues thanks to the GDPR, which it turns out is not just about cookie popups The tech is there, it works today, without crypto bullshit, and it is extremely useful.…

Can’t wait for the EU to introduce a digital euro CBDC just like the digital yuan in China. /s

Soon it will impose savings limits, expiration dates to incentivise spending [0] all tied up to your digital identity.

When governments propose extremely unpopular policies on its people, it will be certainly used against their own people to quell and discourage protests much easily than before.

You will then realise that all these digital identity solutions such as eIDAS, digital euro and wallets are essentially no better than Worldcoin. Governments around the world would love to do exactly what Worldcoin is doing for onboarding to a future CBDC.

No thanks and absolutely no deal to both of that.

[0] https://reclaimthenet.org/digital-euro-spending-saving-limit...

Re: Worldcoin: A solution in search of its problem

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If you have centralised signup and identity you may as well run a Postgres DB or a git repo. It could still be a cool idea, but I don’t get how this needs crypto?

Presumably so that the underlying system can be auditable by 'anyone'?

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Re: Worldcoin: A solution in search of its problem

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I do not understand how this is supposed to prevent sibyl attacks? How do they prevent fake virtual iris scanning devices from pretending that they scanned a person that doesn’t actually exist? Or is the idea that sama is will run a centralised private identity system that aims to replace government identity management? Then why do you need crypto? Are they trying to replace proof of stake/proof of work with “proof o…

> sibyl attacks? This is exactly the same problem as spam detection - nobody has found a good way to prevent people from generating large numbers of fake identities, short of government identity registration. The classic "Why your solution to spam won't work"[1] checklist applies. [1] https://craphound.com/spamsolutions.txt

Yea, so he’s building an alternative to a government identity system. Which is cool I guess, but why does it need a coin?

Re: Worldcoin: A solution in search of its problem

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post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Reminds how US centric a lot of crypto companies are. An advantage of crypto that often comes up is “instant and cheap money transfers”. In the UK, I transfer money to my friends instantaneously and for free using just my bank account.

> In the UK, I transfer money to my friends instantaneously and for free using just my bank account. You can do the same thing in the US. The problem is that businesses can't easily do this without collecting bank routing information from customers, which is effectively "secret" because it allows anyone to debit money directly from their bank account, so they're reluctant to provide it. What's needed is a low- or no-…

I don't know how it works outside of Italy but here we can make instantaneous bank transfers for free or a really small (and capped fee) to anyone just knowing their bank account without leaking any secret information.

How does it work in the US?

Re: Worldcoin: A solution in search of its problem

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I agree with certain sentiments, especially whether there is an actual product market fit for this, but the tech analysis here is sloppy. Molly is a crypto sceptic so suffers from confirmation bias.

Can you provide a better critique than a single-word dismissal ("sloppy")? Molly is a crypto skeptic, but that fact alone doesn't make her analysis sloppy. If you have some insights into where she's wrong, please do share.

Re: Worldcoin: A solution in search of its problem

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post #11

True for most crypto projects

All

Not ‘All’.

Just like 90% of startups fail, it is the same with 90% of crypto startups, and AI startups will fail. The 10% remaining will continue to exist.

Just stop this absolutist nonsense.

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