Whether or not it's truly what they claim it is, it does seem the scientists believe what they are claiming.
No one spends this much effort trying to get their name associated with a discovery that they know is a fraud.
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#32All of this is just noise. The experiment has to be reproduced and measured by others. Then we will know.
People wrote 3 days ago that i will take a day for it to be reproduced. Where are the results?
My understanding is it’s 4 days minimum and the ease of reproduction was mostly a HN/twitter hallucination.
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#33Whether or not it's truly what they claim it is, it does seem the scientists believe what they are claiming. No one spends this much effort trying to get their name associated with a discovery that they know is a fraud.
The cold fusion scandal shows scientists sometimes do fool themselves into believing their own claims, even when lacking rigorous scientific evidence.
Maybe they just have discovered an material with interesting electric properties rather than a super conductor. Time will tell.
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#34I hope we collectively figure out that "this idea is exclusively mine" for however long I can keep it secret or get my 'patent rights' enforced is an obsolete idea.
exclusive property over ideas is an old practice that needs to stay back in the 20th century, where it was useful and when the technology was not just here yet
can we have a 21st century digital renaissance yet?
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#35I can't believe that the most important discovery of my lifetime is surrounded by this cloud of uncertainty. At the same time, having watched Oppenheimer recently, when humanity discovered how to split the atom was chaotic too and met with a lot of scepticism. I guess that's how we work as humans.
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#36I can't believe that the most important discovery of my lifetime is surrounded by this cloud of uncertainty. At the same time, having watched Oppenheimer recently, when humanity discovered how to split the atom was chaotic too and met with a lot of scepticism. I guess that's how we work as humans.
> I can't believe that the most important discovery of my lifetime is surrounded by this cloud of uncertainty.
The 1989 cold fusion situation was already mentioned so I point towards https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leibniz%E2%80%93Newton_calculu... instead.
Even the brightest scientists have egos (maybe even more than the average person) and the prospect of fame and money has clouded the mind of many persons before.
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#37Earlier quoted context omitted.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, I guess. I'm not at all surprised there's this much drama around this. It sounds like it's a matter of a little time and we'll know what's going on. > Einstein's Relativity was called "fake Jew science". Thankfully, along the way, we discovered that "Jew Science" is quite good. I imagine an alien civilization visiting the Earth at that time trying to make sense of…
If you follow that rabbit hole you find that the Nazis had this whole batshit crazy alternative science. It was sort of like Lysenkoism in spirit (an ideologically conforming “alternative truth”) but zanier and wilder. Think hollow Earth and mystical traits of the Aryan race and such. I heard a historian once describe the SS as “what you would get if you made the Church of Scientology a branch of the military.” The N…
>in spite of Stalin having a similar body count
Not even close. In the XX century Mao leads generously, followed by Stalin and Hitler is the distant 3rd.
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#38Honestly, just send out the samples and have people verify the claims. Demonstrating Meissner effect can be done by a grad student, especially if you don't need a pressure cell or low-temperature setup.
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#39Earlier quoted context omitted.
People wrote 3 days ago that i will take a day for it to be reproduced. Where are the results?
It's in progress https://nitter.net/skdh/status/1684917544103116800 There will be a live stream once the material is ready apparently. Related Twitter space recording available https://twitter.com/andrewmccalip/status/1685465431317114880 (That's the only one I'm aware of. There may be more)
Actual twitch content here: https://www.twitch.tv/andrewmccalip
Twitter is members-only, a private site. Better to post the primary, public, source.
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#40Whether or not it's truly what they claim it is, it does seem the scientists believe what they are claiming. No one spends this much effort trying to get their name associated with a discovery that they know is a fraud.
Well, there's the relatively recent Schön scandal.