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Button Pushes You (2022)

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Re: Button Pushes You (2022)

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Slightly off topic, but I love the way that blog design uses the right gutter for annotations. Keeps it in context beautifully.

Interesting. I didn't notice the side notes at all because I immediately zoomed my view to only see the main text as I do with all web pages in this day and age.

Re: Button Pushes You (2022)

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I don't buy the politically laden, existentially fraught spin being sold here.... "Users have to accept the spelled out mantra and change their attitude before accessing the next piece of information." "The user should transform themselves into a “doer,” rather than being considerate, evaluating options" "Before proceeding, users should identify with this new aristocratic class." C'mon. It's just a way to visually em…

Initially I felt the same but I changed my mind mid-read.

The topic of "links should not be styled as buttons" is well-known to everyone who has or had to do frontend web dev, at least I think so.

And the reasons for that as well.

The common violation of this rule on landing pages and CTA-like interstitials is also well-known to every designer or frontend dev who has to work on pages that sell something, I guess.

This essay presents these tradeoffs and developments in UX, and makes a very good point aboit button texts and an annoying next step in this evolution of commercial UX design that I never could quite put my finger on.

Re: Button Pushes You (2022)

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Sometimes, when faced with button choices "OK" and "Maybe Later", I open devtools and relabel the latter to "Fuck off" before clicking on it. I used to think it futile, but now I understand that this allows me to dismiss the modal without myself being pushed by a button.

https://youtu.be/EiKCK8YNVUk?t=2673

>I'm sitting here like I'm in an Apple commercial or Square or Swipely or some bullshit tech thing, instead of "OK" I'm clicking "Got it!". Like [obnoxious surfer voice] "Ok, Got it! Got it!". That's how I acknowledge menus in the computer. That's how, when it becomes total Brave New World life, your torturers -- you're gonna have to acknowledge your -- "You've been assigned 10 hours of genital torture." "Ok, Got It!"

Re: Button Pushes You (2022)

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Sometimes, when faced with button choices "OK" and "Maybe Later", I open devtools and relabel the latter to "Fuck off" before clicking on it. I used to think it futile, but now I understand that this allows me to dismiss the modal without myself being pushed by a button.

I find it so offensive being given only two choices - "yes" or "maybe later". I salute your "fuck off" energy.

On Temu there is a dialog that asks you "Yes" or "Maybe later." If you click "Maybe later" it pops up again and the only button to dismiss the modal is "Next time".

Re: Button Pushes You (2022)

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Slightly off topic, but I love the way that blog design uses the right gutter for annotations. Keeps it in context beautifully.

I find them visually distracting. I prefer Wikipedia style hover footnotes so they are hidden unless I decide I can't live without the citation etc.

Re: Button Pushes You (2022)

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Sometimes, when faced with button choices "OK" and "Maybe Later", I open devtools and relabel the latter to "Fuck off" before clicking on it. I used to think it futile, but now I understand that this allows me to dismiss the modal without myself being pushed by a button.

Should turn that into a tiny CSS extension that relabels all "maybe later"s into a fuck off.

Re: Button Pushes You (2022)

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Slightly off topic, but I love the way that blog design uses the right gutter for annotations. Keeps it in context beautifully.

On a tangent, if you read the book The 48 laws of Power then you know about all the sidenotes (more like complete side stories) throughout the book. I started reading this book on my smartphone years ago, and it was just an awful reading experience. The real paper book was way more readable, but still very annoying because of the long 'side stories'.

Reminds me of Jonathan Strange and Mr Norrel, tons of footnotes, some of which were their own contained stories. I remember at least one page that was quite literally 3/4ths footnote!

Yes, it did occasionally distract from the novel, but I'm the kind of person that doesn't mind reading and re-reading a passage.

Re: Button Pushes You (2022)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

On a tangent, if you read the book The 48 laws of Power then you know about all the sidenotes (more like complete side stories) throughout the book. I started reading this book on my smartphone years ago, and it was just an awful reading experience. The real paper book was way more readable, but still very annoying because of the long 'side stories'.

Reminds me of Jonathan Strange and Mr Norrel, tons of footnotes, some of which were their own contained stories. I remember at least one page that was quite literally 3/4ths footnote! Yes, it did occasionally distract from the novel, but I'm the kind of person that doesn't mind reading and re-reading a passage.

I also liked the content of these side stories, except they made the reading experience harder. Maybe they should have just interspersed them and dedicate a page or two to each side story, now they were spread over the sidelines of multiple pages.

Re: Button Pushes You (2022)

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I don't buy the politically laden, existentially fraught spin being sold here.... "Users have to accept the spelled out mantra and change their attitude before accessing the next piece of information." "The user should transform themselves into a “doer,” rather than being considerate, evaluating options" "Before proceeding, users should identify with this new aristocratic class." C'mon. It's just a way to visually em…

I find it interesting that you insist there is no value to word choice on buttons in this comment, but your previous comment thread four hours prior (and ongoing) on another post delves into very pedantic semantics on naming types. Would you please explain the difference between the two cases?

> Would you please explain the difference between the two cases?

Absolutely!

You'll notice my complaint about the BPY article is not about its griping over semantically incorrect uses of buttons -- I'm fine with that! My complaint is ascribing those incorrect uses to deep dark political and cultural forces, or viewing them as harbingers of societal change. That interpretation strikes me as self-indulgent nonsense.

People are styling semantic "links" as visually prominent buttons because it's a practically effective way to direct the eye, and hence a practically effective marketing strategy. Most of them don't even know what semantic html is. So this is all explained by humans taking actions to accomplish their immediate goals and not caring about things like the html spec that aren't directly relevant to those goals.

The typical landing page with big type, punchy explanations, social proof and CTA buttons evolved mostly because it works.

Re: Button Pushes You (2022)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh I mean, everything from the Marlboro man to "Just Do It" to Apple's "Think Different" was basically a corporate hook carefully crafted to be an appeal to individualism - although Apple threaded a needle with respect to exactly whom they chose to glorify as exemplars. The marketing pablum of the past decade that appeals to tribal identity, or a lack of sense of self searching for identity, (socially conscious ident…

Rejecting authority is never "a paved road" or easy otherwise it would not be authority. The world has moved on since the 60s and individualism has had disastrous effects on society and nature (even if it also brought great advances and freedom to some parts of the world)

Compared to what? Maybe if some true communitarianism had existed in the modern, mechanized world, outside a few small pockets, and had proven it was beneficial to society and nature over an individualist paradigm, we could say that. But the only large-scale organization of people we've seen other than one based on individual liberty is authoritarianism. And if you want to talk about environmental wreckage and social inequality, the former USSR and the current growth model in China are hardly models to aspire to. I suppose the closest we've seen to an eco-friendly, communitarian autoritarianism would be Nazi Germany, which only came at the price of, you know, the mass murder of every individual within reach who was different from their model or disagreed with the leader.
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