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Re: Counterterrorism internet surveillance is being retargeted at sex workers

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Post by Terr_ »

Hizonner wrote: post #18
beebmam wrote: post #10

> “I fought the worst of the worst: ISIS, Al Qaeda, the Taliban,” Skull Games president and former Delta Force soldier Jeff Tiegs has said. “But the adversary I despise the most are human traffickers.” Tiegs has told interviewers that he takes “counterterrorism / counterinsurgency principles” and applies them to these targets. I agree with this. Human trafficking is a nice way of saying slavery. Human traffickers are…

> Human traffickers are some of the worst criminals on earth ... which is why it's so valuable to some people to expand the definition of "human trafficking" beyond ACTUAL human trafficking. Right at the moment, if you hear the phrase "human trafficking" in some random place, especially used by somebody who's asking for money, power, or support of whatever kind, there seems to be about a 95 percent chance it's being…

Kind of like how the slander of "groomers" is being hurled at any gender/sexual-orientation the speaker finds distasteful.

In many ways it's a repeat with different packaging of the "all homosexuals are pedophiles" from a generation or two ago, sometimes from the same people and interest-groups.

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Post by Retric »

rayiner wrote: post #28
Retric wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The number of adults in the school system is vastly larger than the number of Catholic priests. There are 37,302 diocesan and religious-order priests in the United States vs 3,500,000 full and 500,000 part time teachers in the US + even more support staff. You can look into the past demographics, but it looks like there is dramatically more victims per priest per year than per teacher per year.

Of course—congregations are much bigger than classrooms. But the figures above are cited in terms of complaints (corresponding to number of victims) not number of perpetrators. Thus the better comparison is how many people attend school versus the number who attend Catholic Church. Catholics are 1/4 of the population, and over the relevant timeframe (back to 1950), probably half or more attended church regularly.

The number of possible victims isn’t the limiting factor here, it’s the number of pedophiles and their ability to prey on children. A substitute teacher may teach tens of thousands of children per year, but they don’t have a position of particular trust nor are they protected by the school system.

The core complaint isn’t that the Church has more perpetrators, but rather that by protecting the perpetrators they increased the number of victims per perpetrator.

Re: Counterterrorism internet surveillance is being retargeted at sex workers

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Post by throwawaytx »

Animats wrote: post #12

Retarget them at religious pedophiles. The biggest pedophile problems seem to come from religious officials with the backing of their organization. There's been Catholic priest scandal after Catholic priest scandal.[1] The Boy Scouts of America turned out to be a nest of pedophile scout leaders.[2] Brooklyn's haredi community [3] and ultra-orthodox in Israel [4] had their own organized pedophile rings. Quit worrying…

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Re: Counterterrorism internet surveillance is being retargeted at sex workers

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Animats wrote: post #12

Retarget them at religious pedophiles. The biggest pedophile problems seem to come from religious officials with the backing of their organization. There's been Catholic priest scandal after Catholic priest scandal.[1] The Boy Scouts of America turned out to be a nest of pedophile scout leaders.[2] Brooklyn's haredi community [3] and ultra-orthodox in Israel [4] had their own organized pedophile rings. Quit worrying…

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Re: Counterterrorism internet surveillance is being retargeted at sex workers

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Post by willcipriano »

Retric wrote: post #32
rayiner wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Of course—congregations are much bigger than classrooms. But the figures above are cited in terms of complaints (corresponding to number of victims) not number of perpetrators. Thus the better comparison is how many people attend school versus the number who attend Catholic Church. Catholics are 1/4 of the population, and over the relevant timeframe (back to 1950), probably half or more attended church regularly.

The number of possible victims isn’t the limiting factor here, it’s the number of pedophiles and their ability to prey on children. A substitute teacher may teach tens of thousands of children per year, but they don’t have a position of particular trust nor are they protected by the school system. The core complaint isn’t that the Church has more perpetrators, but rather that by protecting the perpetrators they incre…

> nor are they protected by the school system.

Example from the day before yesterday: "5 school employees arrested for alleged failure to report student's sexual assault"

https://www.cbsnews.com/miami/news/5-school-employees-arrest...

Bonus one from a couple months ago: "Knoch Primary School principal charged with failing to report alleged sexual abuse"

https://www.cbsnews.com/pittsburgh/news/knoch-primary-school...

Re: Counterterrorism internet surveillance is being retargeted at sex workers

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Post by Retric »

willcipriano wrote: post #35
Retric wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The number of possible victims isn’t the limiting factor here, it’s the number of pedophiles and their ability to prey on children. A substitute teacher may teach tens of thousands of children per year, but they don’t have a position of particular trust nor are they protected by the school system. The core complaint isn’t that the Church has more perpetrators, but rather that by protecting the perpetrators they incre…

> nor are they protected by the school system. Example from the day before yesterday: "5 school employees arrested for alleged failure to report student's sexual assault" https://www.cbsnews.com/miami/news/5-school-employees-arrest... Bonus one from a couple months ago: "Knoch Primary School principal charged with failing to report alleged sexual abuse" https://www.cbsnews.com/pittsburgh/news/knoch-primary-school...

I don’t see why you think that supports your argument.

Re: Counterterrorism internet surveillance is being retargeted at sex workers

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Post by willcipriano »

Retric wrote: post #36
willcipriano wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> nor are they protected by the school system. Example from the day before yesterday: "5 school employees arrested for alleged failure to report student's sexual assault" https://www.cbsnews.com/miami/news/5-school-employees-arrest... Bonus one from a couple months ago: "Knoch Primary School principal charged with failing to report alleged sexual abuse" https://www.cbsnews.com/pittsburgh/news/knoch-primary-school...

I don’t see why you think that supports your argument.

Here's another, December of last year, there are a lot of these: "Three school administrators in Bellingham accused of failing to report alleged sexual assault"

https://www.king5.com/article/news/local/bellingham/school-a...

If teachers are willing to cover up for random child molesters in the community what do you think they'd do for one of their own?

Re: Counterterrorism internet surveillance is being retargeted at sex workers

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Post by morkalork »

rayiner wrote: post #28
Retric wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The number of adults in the school system is vastly larger than the number of Catholic priests. There are 37,302 diocesan and religious-order priests in the United States vs 3,500,000 full and 500,000 part time teachers in the US + even more support staff. You can look into the past demographics, but it looks like there is dramatically more victims per priest per year than per teacher per year.

Of course—congregations are much bigger than classrooms. But the figures above are cited in terms of complaints (corresponding to number of victims) not number of perpetrators. Thus the better comparison is how many people attend school versus the number who attend Catholic Church. Catholics are 1/4 of the population, and over the relevant timeframe (back to 1950), probably half or more attended church regularly.

Wait no, this doesn't make sense. You should be comparing the rates of bad actors against the number of potential actors (ie rates amongst church staffs vs rates amongst school staffs). Comparing the volume of potential victims is meaningless. To draw an extreme example, what would you say about a religious sect where 100% of its leaders were rapists but there was only 10 people in each congregation? That's okay because public schools have tons more students?

Re: Counterterrorism internet surveillance is being retargeted at sex workers

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Post by Retric »

willcipriano wrote: post #37
Retric wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t see why you think that supports your argument.

Here's another, December of last year, there are a lot of these: "Three school administrators in Bellingham accused of failing to report alleged sexual assault" https://www.king5.com/article/news/local/bellingham/school-a... If teachers are willing to cover up for random child molesters in the community what do you think they'd do for one of their own?

> what do you think they’d do for one of their own?

Hang them out to dry, as should be evident by your failure to find examples.

Teachers failing to report student on student violence isn’t actively protecting perpetrators the way the church was reported as doing. Church administrators would move pedophiles to new communities multiple times after accusations showed up. It’s a very different situation.

Re: Counterterrorism internet surveillance is being retargeted at sex workers

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Post by willcipriano »

Retric wrote: post #39
willcipriano wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here's another, December of last year, there are a lot of these: "Three school administrators in Bellingham accused of failing to report alleged sexual assault" https://www.king5.com/article/news/local/bellingham/school-a... If teachers are willing to cover up for random child molesters in the community what do you think they'd do for one of their own?

> what do you think they’d do for one of their own? Hang them out to dry, as should be evident by your failure to find examples. Teachers failing to report student on student violence isn’t actively protecting perpetrators the way the church was reported as doing. Church administrators would move pedophiles to new communities multiple times after accusations showed up. It’s a very different situation.

> Church administrators would move pedophiles to new communities multiple times after accusations showed up.

From a few months ago: Oversight failures allow sexually abusive teachers to quietly move from school to school

"It's called passing the trash," said Morgan Stewart, an attorney representing students who have accused teachers of sexual abuse at Redlands Unified District schools. "They'd give them recommendations, they'd give them approvals. You've got this culture that just allows it to happen again and again."

Failing to report reasonable suspicion of sexual abuse is a crime, yet federal officials and experts told CBS they believe school administrators often do not contact authorities for fear of damaging the reputation of a teacher or the school. And teachers told CBS they observed a culture that discouraged reporting suspicions of misconduct in their schools.

TLDR: This practice is repeated in schools across the United States, risking harm to millions of children, according to experts and federal officials. On average, one offender passes through three different school districts before being stopped, and can abuse as many as 73 children in their lifetime, according to a 2010 report from the U.S. Government Accountability Office.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/oversight-failures-allow-sexual...

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