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Honestly, this feels like a scam. Their logo and name is stupidly similar to Adobe which would obviously result in trademark lawsuit. I think they are just scrounging up money from the Kickstarter and will just disappear after a while.
[1] https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/culturehustle/abode-a-s...
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> other nations have many talented developers Yes there are other nations that have talented developers. But anywhere that has genuinely talented developers, the developers will still want a decent salary. I'm not going to name names, but if you are thinking about the "outsourcing nations", then I don't know about you, but I think most of us here have experienced the poor quality coding output from those developers.…
Sure but a decent salary is far different from "235k/year. (And consume another $100k/year in lobster, shrimp, smoothies, and snickers bars.)" If You can't see that there is a middle ground between impoverished wages and what was quoted above that I can't help you
I can see a middle ground. Most people would probably name it as Europe. And you would have to go looking in Eastern Europe.
And I think you would find, if you are lucky, that a competent European junior-ish developer would not get out of bed for less than 60k Euros (65k USD), a more senior developer would demand more.
And you need more than one or two developers on your team if you're going to be competing against Adobe.
And then you need to pay taxes, pensions, accountants and lawyers.
And then you need to pay other business expenses.
And if you decide you need an office, then god help you ...
The numbers soon add up .... $235k will disappear within the year, probably within a single quarter.
Software development is capital intensive.
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Good luck taking on Adobe with 2 engineers.
Adobe seems exeptionally unproductive with incredible product stagnation so this doesn't seem that infeasible to me.
Adobe is moving at a steady strong pace which one cannot ignore. They don't have ferocity or (sometimes) velocity of a hungry small player.. yet, there aren't any in their space. There's Autodesk (lol) and of smaller in video there is The Foundry (if you want to see exceptionally unproductive, at small scale).
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Maybe, if you're surviving on Ramen. That said, I wouldn't want to go up against Adobe with a team of two Ramen-fueled developers in Bulgaria. I don't doubt you can make a cell phone app for that money, but something that would compete with Adobe's incredibly polished and well-funded software suite... I'm thinking the odds aren't good at all.
$100k salary puts you in the top 5% of the society in Bulgaria. I wouldn't call that being "Ramen-fueled". I don't want people to get wrong ideas. I agree with you that $235K is a small budget to build a serious software though.
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This type of attitude is exactly why silicon valley is primed for failure The bloat and the expense of silicon valley is going to be their downfall. plenty of regions in the US and other nations have many talented developers that are willing to work for far less and make a far better product than what you get for silicon valley wages
> other nations have many talented developers Yes there are other nations that have talented developers. But anywhere that has genuinely talented developers, the developers will still want a decent salary. I'm not going to name names, but if you are thinking about the "outsourcing nations", then I don't know about you, but I think most of us here have experienced the poor quality coding output from those developers.…
The hiring needs to be direct or else the "agency" will eat most of the money and give you 3000$/yr "senior" devs further perpetuating the stereotypes.
With 235k, you can make an incredible 5 people team + cloud costs for an year.
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In most countries for the majority of developers, $235k is a LOT of money and enough to finance a startup for the first two years or so with 2 developers.
Good luck taking on Adobe with 2 engineers.
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This type of attitude is exactly why silicon valley is primed for failure The bloat and the expense of silicon valley is going to be their downfall. plenty of regions in the US and other nations have many talented developers that are willing to work for far less and make a far better product than what you get for silicon valley wages
> other nations have many talented developers Yes there are other nations that have talented developers. But anywhere that has genuinely talented developers, the developers will still want a decent salary. I'm not going to name names, but if you are thinking about the "outsourcing nations", then I don't know about you, but I think most of us here have experienced the poor quality coding output from those developers.…
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Well, no. If everything is open source, $235K is good for perks and incentives - and to ensure that the project is alive and active. People will do a whole lot when the incentive is not the paycheck.
Gimp and Paint.net have probably benefited from a million hours of open source labor and yet their capabilities are nowhere near Adobe's products. People underestimate how much work commercial software takes by many orders of magnitude. This kickstarter is maybe performance art but if they're serious there is no chance in hell they will actually produce software that is actually competitive with an Adobe suite produc…
The only downside of Inkscape is that it doesn't properly open and save the most recent Adobe formats other than that I also have no idea why I would need anything more than what Inkscape offers.
Sure the Adobe tools have a lot to explore, a lot of buttons and options hidden in millions of submenus.
But a good portion of computer users have only a limited need for tools like this, no interest in that constant learning curve after major updates and no use for all those advanced features.
Imagine I learned using these tools 20 years ago, and while they heavily improved they still work exactly the same. Every time I meet Photoshop it 180d their design and button placements...
My point is you do not need to feature match Adobe to compete, making it more accessible alone could be a selling point.
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This type of attitude is exactly why silicon valley is primed for failure The bloat and the expense of silicon valley is going to be their downfall. plenty of regions in the US and other nations have many talented developers that are willing to work for far less and make a far better product than what you get for silicon valley wages
> other nations have many talented developers Yes there are other nations that have talented developers. But anywhere that has genuinely talented developers, the developers will still want a decent salary. I'm not going to name names, but if you are thinking about the "outsourcing nations", then I don't know about you, but I think most of us here have experienced the poor quality coding output from those developers.…