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Tesla created secret team to suppress thousands of driving range complaints

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Re: Tesla created secret team to suppress thousands of driving range complaints

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How does the Tesla advertised range compare to the advertised range of other EV makers: less accurate, or similarly inaccurate? edit: "advertised" I mean the range shown on the dash. I.e. the range communicated by the car itself, as relevant to this article.

I mean, I realise that reading the article is considered most improper on this website, but it _is_ addressed.

Re: Tesla created secret team to suppress thousands of driving range complaints

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That's a pretty damning article and it looks like there are more and more of those coming. Tesla still somehow benefits from its innovators / clean company reputation, but at this pace it won't be long before agencies start to act on what's become much more than just 'optimistic marketing'.

I think that reputation already died in the last 2-3 years.

It's now pretty common in my circle to hear people say they'll pay a premium to not own a Tesla. Primarily because of lots of bad experiences with build quality/repairs, but also because there are now lots of high quality alternatives. Namely Rivian and Lucid, but also the legacy automakers (two friends bought mach-es recently and there's a smattering of F-150 lightnings.)

The fact that Musk has adopted the public persona of a crazy uncle who doesn't get Thanksgiving invites -- and is heavily associated with the Tesla brand -- doesn't help either.

Re: Tesla created secret team to suppress thousands of driving range complaints

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I have a model Y. I hate almost everything about it. But most germane, The "Battery meter" at the top of the display is total bunk. That's got to be "rosy" numbers. It'll display a the battery in miles, but it's at least 25% inflated. However if you punch in a destination, you'll get exact numbers, and those are insanely reliable. It claims (and I don't believe any claims coming from tesla) that it'll factor wind, el…

Seems like it’s common across all EVs for the range to be inflated by around 20%, at least for freeway driving. In a recent review, a Tesla did a slightly better job than most of the cars tested, as far as portion of stated range achieved. https://youtu.be/fvwOa7TCd1E&t=36m15s

> Seems like it’s common across all EVs for the range to be inflated by around 20%, at least for freeway driving.

Most people speed on the freeway. Extra speed reduces range significantly.

Re: Tesla created secret team to suppress thousands of driving range complaints

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You have it backwards. The car serves you. You should not have to serve the car (beyond universal, traditional things, like the need to maintain, insure, etc.). It’s reasonable to ask for a range estimate that’s not naively optimistic.

It is not naively optimistic. I just finished a 2500 mile drive with a Tesla Y and its estimates are pretty much within 1-2% of my actual usage.

Re: Tesla created secret team to suppress thousands of driving range complaints

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How does the Tesla advertised range compare to the advertised range of other EV makers: less accurate, or similarly inaccurate? edit: "advertised" I mean the range shown on the dash. I.e. the range communicated by the car itself, as relevant to this article.

This might help but requires you do some cross referencing and math: https://ev-database.org/cheatsheet/range-electric-car This is better as it shows the claimed range, and the actual range: https://insideevs.com/reviews/443791/ev-range-test-results/

That's good info. However, I can clarify by saying "advertised range" I didn't mean the range touted in marketing materials, but the range remaining shown on the dashboard

Re: Tesla created secret team to suppress thousands of driving range complaints

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How does the Tesla advertised range compare to the advertised range of other EV makers: less accurate, or similarly inaccurate? edit: "advertised" I mean the range shown on the dash. I.e. the range communicated by the car itself, as relevant to this article.

It’s a bit average. It’s not crazy optimistic like some Chinese brands or a bit pessimistic like some German brands.

Here is a Norwegian winter test in real conditions: https://nye.naf.no/elbil/bruke-elbil/test-rekkevidde-vinter-...

You can use a translator (Google, DeepL, chatGPT…) but the Arabic numbers are easy to spot.

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You have it backwards. The car serves you. You should not have to serve the car (beyond universal, traditional things, like the need to maintain, insure, etc.). It’s reasonable to ask for a range estimate that’s not naively optimistic.

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Re: Tesla created secret team to suppress thousands of driving range complaints

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You have it backwards. The car serves you. You should not have to serve the car (beyond universal, traditional things, like the need to maintain, insure, etc.). It’s reasonable to ask for a range estimate that’s not naively optimistic.

What is that number though? Do you just assume every driver just mats the go pedal and slams the brakes at every stoplight? Battery life is a bit non deterministic. Yes you can track driving habits but I don’t know that I always drive the same way depending on how much of a rush I’m in and other factors.

Re: Tesla created secret team to suppress thousands of driving range complaints

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You have it backwards. The car serves you. You should not have to serve the car (beyond universal, traditional things, like the need to maintain, insure, etc.). It’s reasonable to ask for a range estimate that’s not naively optimistic.

Personally I'd find the information valuable, it tells me how my habits affect the efficiency.
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