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You'll need an "approved" browser and potentially "approved" hardware to access the web. Since Cloudflare is on this too, most of the web will be locked for anyone who doesn't use mainstream hardware.
But why do they care so much about this? Is it only for DRM on media playback?
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#32Earlier quoted context omitted.
You'll need an "approved" browser and potentially "approved" hardware to access the web. Since Cloudflare is on this too, most of the web will be locked for anyone who doesn't use mainstream hardware.
But why do they care so much about this? Is it only for DRM on media playback?
Google is an ad company. They're not a browser company.
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#33Can somebody explain what are the practical implications of this?
You'll need an "approved" browser and potentially "approved" hardware to access the web. Since Cloudflare is on this too, most of the web will be locked for anyone who doesn't use mainstream hardware.
Now it's almost impossible to access websites in an automated way -- the CTO posted you can just email him (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34639212) and he'll sort it. Because that scales.
edit: Mispoke about the CTO, said he would approve you, I was wrong. Apologies.
Their DNS is "privacy focused", but they provide "aggregated results" of domains. How is that privacy focused?
Cloudflare came from the approach of being a developers friend ("Look! SSL is now free!") but was given the internet on a silver platter.
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#35I feel like I have to repeat this, since so much is at stake here, where it is about the preservation of the web as we know it today, at the peril of having it turned into yet another walled garden: The only way around the dystopia this will lead to is to constantly and relentlessly shame and even harass all those involved in helping create it. The scolding in the issue tracker of that wretched "project" shall flow l…
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If adopted by publishers, the web will be closed to everyone but allowed browsers on allowed OSes on allowed hardware. No ad blockers, no extensions, no customizations beyond what the few chosen browsers allow explicitly.
I have a website so I guess that makes me a publisher. Say I wanted to block Chrome on Windows and Firefox on Debian? How would I use this?
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#37Is adding a feature-flag really the same as pushing the feature into the browser immediately? It can easily just be part of a SWE needing the flag in place in order to continue work without impacting anything else, even if that thing never ever launches. In general Google engineers don't tend to work on branches, especially long-running ones. Incremental small code reviews are the expectation. The general process wou…
When was the last time you heard Google or anything Google-related backing down from getting their paws in deeper? It's no longer a fallacy when there's a sign next to the slippery slope.
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#38Can somebody explain what are the practical implications of this?
Nothing will happen. People have been making the same complaints about every new crypto standard for decades, and yet here we are. TPMs are a thing, EME has been around for over a decade now, DRM on the web is as pervasive as it's ever going to get, and yet no one's user experience is any worse than it was before these technologies existed.
It's permanently blocked to prevent piracy, or something, mumble, mumble...
Re: Google is already pushing WEI into Chromium
#39I feel like I have to repeat this, since so much is at stake here, where it is about the preservation of the web as we know it today, at the peril of having it turned into yet another walled garden: The only way around the dystopia this will lead to is to constantly and relentlessly shame and even harass all those involved in helping create it. The scolding in the issue tracker of that wretched "project" shall flow l…
Yeah, financial and social pressure is basically the only weapons we have against corporations when regulations don't exist. And honestly, financial pressure doesn't work at this scale or in this case.
Re: Google is already pushing WEI into Chromium
#40I feel like I have to repeat this, since so much is at stake here, where it is about the preservation of the web as we know it today, at the peril of having it turned into yet another walled garden: The only way around the dystopia this will lead to is to constantly and relentlessly shame and even harass all those involved in helping create it. The scolding in the issue tracker of that wretched "project" shall flow l…
We are capable of going to elsewhere to free and open access to information, and we would be better off spending our energy on positively influencing others to follow us in that direction. They can’t take away tcp, http, ftp, irc and all the other protocols that these megaliths have built their empires on, and we can still use those tools even if it’s a demoralizing regression to move back to the basics. Giants like google, Amazon and others depend on our unwillingness to rebuild. Let’s use our efforts and our ingenuity to show them that they’ve underestimated us.
We have the tools, we have the knowledge. Let’s be builders instead of petty complainers.