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There’s a heatwave in the sea and scientists are worried

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Re: There’s a heatwave in the sea and scientists are worried

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Post by femiagbabiaka »

bugglebeetle wrote: post #19
jmclnx wrote: post #10

Then there is this: https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-66256101 >in fact I'm very pessimistic about achieving even 2C In the US, the GOP refused to do anything and held the US hostage so they could cash in by taking bribes from the fossil fuel industry. The other party was too afraid to stand up to the GOP and fossil fuel industry, so nothing at all was done except talk. All the hot air from the pols taking…

It’s not the GOP, its an entire economic system, defended at nuclear gunpoint, by the one of the world’s largest carbon emitters, who both parties reward with ever-expanding, fraud-ridden budgets, while their citizens starve and die on the streets, go bankrupt from illnesses, etc. I’m sorry to tell you, but there is no one in the halls of US power steering the ship away from the worst outcomes of climate change becau…

Yeah the GOP is like the useful boogeyman, but most Dems are no better. Hell, the most powerful parts of the Dems include folks like Joe Manchin, who's right in the bag of coal. Even in a world where Hillary Clinton won the 2016 election and followed through on her policy goals, they were still too timid to turn the tide.

Re: There’s a heatwave in the sea and scientists are worried

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Post by ajsnigrutin »

nancyhn wrote: post #28
jmclnx wrote: post #10

Then there is this: https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-66256101 >in fact I'm very pessimistic about achieving even 2C In the US, the GOP refused to do anything and held the US hostage so they could cash in by taking bribes from the fossil fuel industry. The other party was too afraid to stand up to the GOP and fossil fuel industry, so nothing at all was done except talk. All the hot air from the pols taking…

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Yep, all the oil/gas not used by USA/EU will be used by other, poorer countries, probably at lower prices than we are paying now for that gas while switching to even more expensive alternatives.

We still have nuclear as an option, but the 'greens' are somehow too stupid to even think of nuclear as a solution to many of our problems.

Re: There’s a heatwave in the sea and scientists are worried

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Post by itsanaccount »

_Algernon_ wrote: post #6
itsanaccount wrote: post #4

"if you set off a rube goldberg type death trap to kill someone, if its a long enough machine, it ceases to become your fault if somebody dies at the end."

"If you want something to sound profound, put it between quotation marks"

if it would help that i would be more direct for you, i mean to say i think those who both knew and continued to make extreme profits off of oil extraction at the expense of a planets worth of people should be considered murderers.

and lacking judicial means for justice due to those same murderers control of most governments, i predict they will probably be executed by small vigilante groups in the middle of the night, though mobs with torches and pitchforks are also a possibility.

but that kind of statement and that rising sentiment behind it is generally scrubbed off the internet. who knows why, maybe its not profound enough.

Re: There’s a heatwave in the sea and scientists are worried

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Post by 7952 »

danielovichdk wrote: post #25

The faster humans can get off the planet the better the earth will become. I don't mind all the climate change talk. But I do mind the symptoms curing. The best people can come up with are fucking electrical cars and artificial meat. Because we too many fucking people to serve natural foods. What the fuuuck is wrong with us? I might sound pessimistic but I don't have any faith in humanity as for saving the world. Abs…

The best we can come up with is not electric cars and synthetic meat but bicycles and vegetables.

Re: There’s a heatwave in the sea and scientists are worried

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Post by WeylandYutani »

srgpqt wrote: post #17
jmclnx wrote: post #10

Then there is this: https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-66256101 >in fact I'm very pessimistic about achieving even 2C In the US, the GOP refused to do anything and held the US hostage so they could cash in by taking bribes from the fossil fuel industry. The other party was too afraid to stand up to the GOP and fossil fuel industry, so nothing at all was done except talk. All the hot air from the pols taking…

Like the boiled frog, perhaps we have not even realized that we are already cooked/doomed.

Nah we realise. But there's nothing that you can do about it.

Reminds me of Dutch Jews in WW2 who tried to live a normal life until the police came to collect them.

Re: There’s a heatwave in the sea and scientists are worried

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Post by V__ »

nancyhn wrote: post #28
jmclnx wrote: post #10

Then there is this: https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-66256101 >in fact I'm very pessimistic about achieving even 2C In the US, the GOP refused to do anything and held the US hostage so they could cash in by taking bribes from the fossil fuel industry. The other party was too afraid to stand up to the GOP and fossil fuel industry, so nothing at all was done except talk. All the hot air from the pols taking…

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Why do people always try to equate climate-neutrality with poverty? Or that escaping poverty has to be co2 intensive? Those aren't related at all.

Re: There’s a heatwave in the sea and scientists are worried

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Post by happytiger »

I don’t think it’s just the scientists that are worried at this point.

The question is whether there is a general willingness to accept the implications of our currently unsustainable course needing a hefty correction in a timeframe that doesn’t lead to devastating consequences is looking increasingly unlikely.

It’s nice that “scientists are concerned,” buts it’s deeply dismissive language that should have stayed in the 90/ and genuinely, headlines like these actively contribute to the problem.

Re: There’s a heatwave in the sea and scientists are worried

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Post by tessierashpool »

nancyhn wrote: post #28
jmclnx wrote: post #10

Then there is this: https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-66256101 >in fact I'm very pessimistic about achieving even 2C In the US, the GOP refused to do anything and held the US hostage so they could cash in by taking bribes from the fossil fuel industry. The other party was too afraid to stand up to the GOP and fossil fuel industry, so nothing at all was done except talk. All the hot air from the pols taking…

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> Even if you plunged the entire US back into poverty, that's not going to solve anything

weird change of subject there

Re: There’s a heatwave in the sea and scientists are worried

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Post by nancyhn »

V__ wrote: post #36
nancyhn wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Why do people always try to equate climate-neutrality with poverty? Or that escaping poverty has to be co2 intensive? Those aren't related at all.

Because they are focused on fossil fuels, which are responsible for both CO2 emissions and increasing standard of living, including reduction of climate related deaths.

The real solution is to use a better base load fuel source, which would be nuclear, but they're not pushing for that. That necessarily means they are advocating poverty.

Re: There’s a heatwave in the sea and scientists are worried

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Post by bena »

bad_alloc wrote: post #15
olouv wrote: post #9

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This pseudo-intellectual doubt in the face of overwhelming scientific consensus is pathetic and part of the problem. What is the goal? Laying breadcumbs for climate-change deniers to follow to some trap for the gullible?

This is the one thing I dislike about Penn Jillette. The way he excuses himself from his former stance on climate change. He accepts it now, but he says "there wasn't enough evidence back then" and "they didn't do a good enough job to convince [me]".

But it's not their job to convince him. They're the ones who have spent their lives studying this. And they're convinced. The number of people with the education and expertise who are convinced far outnumber those who even claim the same level of education and expertise who are not convinced.

And this has been true for at least 30 years.

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