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Company builds 500cc ‘one-stroke’ engine

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Re: Company builds 500cc ‘one-stroke’ engine

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why I feel like this would put pressure on one side of cylinder block due to non-linear force against bottom wave-plate and cause wear and tear?

Agreed. Also, how does it get started? Seems like the only force pushing the piston against the axial cam is the fuel explosion. (Perhaps extra springs to retract the piston for intake?)

Presumably an electric starter, much like a traditional engine - only it’ll turn the driver shaft instead of a cam shaft.

Re: Company builds 500cc ‘one-stroke’ engine

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Would this be good in a bike? Would it likely be more power than say my R1?

I don't think it'd be very good. It has no torque on the low end so you'd have to set idle really high to get useful low range performance. This type of engine is great for its intended application though: A steady-state range extender/generator. Now, at higher revs, it might be pretty sweet.

Yep, you’d have to run it at high RPM, like a rotary.

Re: Company builds 500cc ‘one-stroke’ engine

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In case you’re wondering:

“Now, here's the thing: this motor isn't a one-stroke engine. It has a compression stroke and exhaust stroke, making it a two-stroke cycle. INNengine acknowledges this and has said that it brands the motor as such because people would assume that a two-stroke engine would need to have oil mixed in along with fuel. Most two-strokes do. The company says that the one-stroke name was suggested by an ‘external ICE institution’ and they found it to be ‘catchy,’ so INNengine stuck with it.”

(From close to he bottom of the article)

Re: Company builds 500cc ‘one-stroke’ engine

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'old' may have something to do with it here, engine tech has seen all kinds of improvements over the last two decades resulting in tiny engines with ridiculous levels of output while still having reasonable life span. A pretty common small car engine that has .9 L displacement and a turbo yields 105 HP, that's 120 HP/L, vs 67 HP/L for your bike. A few years ago I had a 660 CC 4 cylinder engine in a car that did 67 HP…

We should probably call a spade a spade here. This is a 2-stroke motor. In today's powersports world it's normal for a factory 650cc motor to be putting out over 135HP. It's not impressive in terms of the performance to engine size and, as I mentioned in another comment, this engine will be extremely weak on the torque side of the equation which will make those ponies virtually useless.

That's fair, for a two stroke it isn't substantially better than what's out there. As for weak on the torque, for a generator that may not matter all that much. What I'm more curious about is the powerband, in other words how wide the RPM range is over which it produces max power. If that range is wide it might be a very useful engine (because you can simply couple it with an appropriate gearbox for torque), if it is very narrow then it really only will work well as a generator producing high frequency AC.

That's one reason why specialty generator engines tend to run with very sharp cams on the camshafts: they only need to work in a very narrow RPM range and opening them earlier or later is just going to waste fuel so for maximum efficiency you want the valves to be open just long enough to take in enough air or to exhaust the expended fuel/air mixture.

edit: apparently this engine also has a super charger, which isn't quite 'atmospheric'.

Re: Company builds 500cc ‘one-stroke’ engine

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That's neat. This is a type of axial engine, a cam engine.[1] People have been trying designs along this line since at least 1926. A recent version was from Axial Vector Engine, which was pushing their stock around 2006 and is now gone.[2] The problem with this class of designs is that they apply large forces to small parts. The most likely source of trouble is the bearings of those little wheels at the base of each…

also noted, that they don't have that lever like standard pistons do, so torque is an issue.

If it's putting out the power you need with good efficiency just gear it for whatever torque you want for the application.

The idea that torque and power represent different qualities out of an engine comes from manufacturers quoting just peak torque and peak power, giving you two different points on the torque and power curve. A complete torque or power curve is much more useful. Either works and which is just a matter of preference as you can just calculate the other from the same data.

Re: Company builds 500cc ‘one-stroke’ engine

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

also noted, that they don't have that lever like standard pistons do, so torque is an issue.

Torque isn’t an issue if it isn’t pushing a drivetrain, but an inverter generator to charge the electric drivetrain. That would also lower the forces applied to the piston roller bearings, which should greatly improve reliability.

Yes those tiny new engines (also liquidpiston engine) would make a good range-extender for electric drivetrains, also thinking semi-trucks and big equipment. Wherever you need big torque/power to get going, but once rolling 35hp is enough to keep rolling.

Re: Company builds 500cc ‘one-stroke’ engine

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post #33

In case you’re wondering: “Now, here's the thing: this motor isn't a one-stroke engine. It has a compression stroke and exhaust stroke, making it a two-stroke cycle. INNengine acknowledges this and has said that it brands the motor as such because people would assume that a two-stroke engine would need to have oil mixed in along with fuel. Most two-strokes do. The company says that the one-stroke name was suggested b…

because people would assume that a two-stroke engine would need to have oil mixed in along with fuel

That suggests most people don't know about 2-stroke diesels, although I suspect much of the older population (at least in North America) have probably heard or been on a vehicle that uses one.

Re: Company builds 500cc ‘one-stroke’ engine

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Indeed. My old bike had 1400cc and was rated at only 94 hp.

'old' may have something to do with it here, engine tech has seen all kinds of improvements over the last two decades resulting in tiny engines with ridiculous levels of output while still having reasonable life span. A pretty common small car engine that has .9 L displacement and a turbo yields 105 HP, that's 120 HP/L, vs 67 HP/L for your bike. A few years ago I had a 660 CC 4 cylinder engine in a car that did 67 HP…

The Ariel Atom V8 did ~160hp/liter in a 3L NA engine.

I'm sure its pretty high strung, but its also older and more "conventional" than exotic supercar engines.

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