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Learning to Touch Type Again

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Re: Learning to Touch Type Again

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A few years ago I also got a split + columnar keyboard (ZSA moonlander). When I made the switch, I also switched to Dvorak from QWERTY. It was a brutal first month grinding typing practice, but I'm really glad I did it. My posture has felt much better with the split keyboard, and my hands have felt much less strained with the columnar + Dvorak. I don't think I type much faster than I did before switching (maybe from…

I'm also a happy Dvorak convert. Yes, it's tough at first. Switches back to Qwerty also take some getting used to.* I believe there is a universal benefit of learning a non-QWERTY layout. Many people learn QWERTY first when they are young, and as a side-effect, they carry with themselves the baggage of bad typing habits. While making an intentional effort to touch type with QWERTY can help significantly, I believe it…

> Many people learn QWERTY first when they are young, and as a side-effect, they carry with themselves the baggage of bad typing habits.

Absolutely! This was a huge factor in my decision to switch. I learned to type quickly on QWERTY mostly from FPS shooters - which meant that I would start typing while moving my hand from my mouse to my keyboard, which meant that I would type much more with my left hand than my right. I probably used my left hand for 60 to 70% of the keyboard, rather than 50/50 for each hand. I really wanted to learn to type properly, but breaking old habits on such a familiar layout was hard.

Re: Learning to Touch Type Again

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I learned Colemak a year ago so I could touch-type properly, because the regular layouts are so sub-optimal that the balance between fingers feel so weird, and being on the home row is actually not optimal. I definitely am happy with the change. I use Colemak mostly for coding, and writing short texts. I would switch to my native layout whenever I need to type fast and long texts (AZERTY, french layout). I definitely think Colemak is the sweet spot for someone wanting to get a better layout, without much hastle: it's already on MacOS and Linux, it keeps a lot of keys the same as QWERTY (for shortcuts), and it has a ton of built-in dead keys for European accents ! I didn't even need to remap the vim bindings using it. I may not actually type faster (actually I max at 80 WPM now, before it was 100 WPM), but the ergonomics just feels so much better.

Re: Learning to Touch Type Again

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I spent a long time trying to learn touch typing on a regular keyboard but I could never get it to stick, it always felt like the keys were off, due to the stagger, and I would frequently hit two keys at the same time. Getting an ortholinear keyboard (planck) really helped me and finally I can touch type at about 70-90wpm without the awkwardness of staggered keys. It feels like the keys are exactly where they are supposed to be, instead of always being slightly off angle. I guess my brain is just wired differently or something. I don't think there is any way to go back to a regular keyboard for me, which was a minor issue when I started working, but I started bringing my ortho to work and it has worked nicely for me.

Re: Learning to Touch Type Again

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I started touch typing with keybr too, took almost two months to get to my usual 90 wpm. I remember practicing for an hour a day, it is fun after you nail the first 4 letters so don’t give up too early. Now I am using a Corne v3 which I built myself and I am considering investing more time switching to another keyboard layout like dvorak or colemark, can anyone recommend it? Was it worth it?

Both Dvorak and Colemak seem better than QWERTY but it’s difficult to choose between those alternatives. I started using Colemak a few days ago because it’s more modern than Dvorak (whatever that means) but I’m still not sure if it’s the best choice. One bonus of Colemak is that it has the same location for the keys XCV used for cut, copy, and paste.

To be fair, I think that DVORAK is overkill. If you want a good compromise between ergonomics and ease of use, definitely go for Colemak. Also a way better choice if you are European, and occasionally need some accents or characters that are not on the Dvorak keyboard. If you are crazy about min-maxing every aspect of your typing, IMO it becomes a rabbit hole: programmer's dvorak, colemak DH and other mods etc. etc. Don't forget that the more your setup is away from the standards, the more it can be a pain to go back to the standard, or have other people use your setup

Re: Learning to Touch Type Again

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I wonder how words per minute (WPM) is actually measured. For example, an illustration in the article seems to indicate that the speed of 1 minute of typing with 12 errors is a valid data point. I learned touch typing on a manual typewriter using Gregg book[0] (summer school prior to freshman year of high school), and seem to recall that the official WPM test involved something like 5 minutes of transcribing a provid…

I found this at archive.org from a Gregg book circa 1960s. Items 1-16 not shown are about mistakes relating to pagination, margins, characters too light to be easily read, etc.

There was a time when this test was a primary factor in certain job interviews.

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Calculation of test results

17. Gross Strokes. Strokes are counted correctly by considering the entire copy as having been typed in one continuous line. Each character or space in such a line counts as one stroke.

18. Gross Words. The total gross words are the total gross strokes typed, divided by 5. Do not add strokes in repeated matter or subtract strokes in omitted matter. NOTE: The count given with most test copy is the cumulative gross word count (strokes/5).

19. Penalty. For each error charged under these rules, 10 words must be deducted from the gross words.

20. Net Words. After deducting the penalty from the gross words, the remainder represents the total net words. The typist’s net rate (words a minute— wam ) is computed by dividing his total net words by the number of minutes he typed. Fractions of .500 or less are discarded; fractions over .500 are credited to the next whole number.

  EXAMPLE: A typist writes 5,808 gross strokes with 8 errors in 15 minutes —
  5,808/5=1,161.6 or 1,162 gross words 
  8(errors)X10=80 (penalty)
  1,162 - 80=1,082 net words
  1,082/15 (minutes) =72.1 net words a minute

Re: Learning to Touch Type Again

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I started touch typing with keybr too, took almost two months to get to my usual 90 wpm. I remember practicing for an hour a day, it is fun after you nail the first 4 letters so don’t give up too early. Now I am using a Corne v3 which I built myself and I am considering investing more time switching to another keyboard layout like dvorak or colemark, can anyone recommend it? Was it worth it?

There are other layouts, like BEAKL, MTGAP, Hands Down (Neu, Gold,Vibranium…). The current recommendation for Colemak on split kb is Colemak Mod DH, but i think the optimal layout depends on the ratio of code to prose that you use.

There is a subreddit dedicated to this very discussion, and the more general subbredit ( r/ergoMechanicalKeyboard) migrated to Lemmy https://lemmy.world/c/ergomechkeyboards

https://www.reddit.com/r/KeyboardLayouts/comments/14m5hpy/no...

Re: Learning to Touch Type Again

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Some people are asking for advice on switching to Dvorak. Here is my life story:

I grew up typing Qwerty using only four fingers for typing letters, and my right-hand thumb for pressing the space bar. I could type pretty fast, which was especially useful for having heated discussions on irc. My typing speed also got me a job offer during the first dot com bubble.

At around 20, I switched to Dvorak, because I learned about the silly history of the Qwerty layout, and how Dvorak would result in more typing in less time. Over a period of two weeks, I worked my way up from the Beavis and Butthead lessons (uuuu hhhh ...) up to using all ten fingers (apart from the thumb on my left-hand, which isn't doing much apart from the occasional Alt or Super here and there.)

In this training period I suffered from terrible headaches. In retrospect, I think the main pathways in my brain connected my thoughts directly to the Qwerty layout, and this needed a complete rewiring. Also, during this period I could not respond quickly to people on irc who were obviously wrong about something. The frustration was enormous.

Eventually, my typing speed on TypeRacer plateaued somewhere at around 100 wpm. That's a lot less than Sean Wrona, but still requires you to perform a test to check if you didn't cheat.

Switching from Qwerty to Dvorak was really hard, especially in the beginning. It took about five years before I could work on somebody else's machine. I'm also hardwired to Emacs key bindings, so that's a limiting factor as well. Also, I can't seem to type Dvorak with only one finger, when I'm eating a snack for instance. This is still possible with Qwerty! And I can recite the entire Qwerty layout in a pub at night, but I require a keyboard to say aoeui.

In my early days of Dvorak, I wrote some utilities that calculated the travel distance that my fingers would make if I were to retype the entire bible. Depending on how you looked at it, Dvorak required about 5 to 30% less finger movement. Unfortunately, when you put in the Linux source tree, with numbers, curly braces, and other symbols, the advantage isn't so big.

What I do notice though, after ~20 years of Dvorak, is that it feels much more fluent than what I observe at my Qwerty typing coworkers. I guess what _really_ helped for lowering the risk of wrist problems, though, is to remap Caps Lock to an additional Control, and using C-p, C-n, C-b, C-f for keyboard navigation and C-h for backspace. Switching from keyboard to mouse and back really annoys me.

Re: Learning to Touch Type Again

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I spent a long time trying to learn touch typing on a regular keyboard but I could never get it to stick, it always felt like the keys were off, due to the stagger, and I would frequently hit two keys at the same time. Getting an ortholinear keyboard (planck) really helped me and finally I can touch type at about 70-90wpm without the awkwardness of staggered keys. It feels like the keys are exactly where they are sup…

I had the same experience, but with a preonic. It's not that hard for me to use a regular keyboard but it definitely feels akward and when I do I type slower and more prone to errors.

Re: Learning to Touch Type Again

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The keyboard injury makes me wonder why this is a problem for some people but not for others. Like shouldn't this be an epidemic?

I think it comes down to how you're sitting, and whether you do something about it when you get the first hint of pain.

I don't get any wrist pain at all when sitting at my desk and typing on my keyboard, but if I try to type on a laptop while lying down for more than about half an hour, my wrists start hurting. Part of me wants to carry on, but I know it's just going to make the wrists hurt more, so I just stop if they start hurting, and the problem doesn't seem to be getting any worse.

Re: Learning to Touch Type Again

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The keyboard injury makes me wonder why this is a problem for some people but not for others. Like shouldn't this be an epidemic?

bad wrist genetics/poor posture/weak wrists/grip strength/uneven floor/uneven desk. i have noticed many of my ergo issues are reduced/eliminated if i have been exercising regularly, particularly using my forearms.
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