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Re: The Free Movie

#31

Post by gowld »

orra wrote: post #9
cwkoss wrote: post #5

What are the copyright implications of this work? Is it legal to distribute the stitched together frames without audio? Do you think this project is going to get DMCAd off the internet?

It's a derivative work. Is it legal, as a transformative use? Probably not. Andy Warhol's estate just lost a fair use case in the U.S. Supreme Court.

Why not? Do you think anyone is going to say, "wow, I can save $3 by watching this crappy monochrome silent sketched copy of the movie!" ???

https://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2023/may/18/andy-wa...

Warhol copied a portrait. Totally different issue.

"The supreme court [lol @ Anti-American Grauniad] focused on the specific use that allegedly infringed Goldsmith’s copyright – a license of Warhol’s work to Condé Nast – and said it was not transformative because it served the same commercial purpose as Goldsmith’s photo: to depict Prince in a magazine."

Re: The Free Movie

#32

Post by civilitty »

jacurtis wrote: post #26

Amazing Idea, but a few problems 1. Anytime you give someone freedom to create (anything), you will end up with a penis drawing. Just scrolling through quickly I see that Frame #13122 delivers on this law of the universe. After watching the movie preview, I only watched the first 45-50 seconds and counted about 4-5 drawings of the bodypart and 6-8 additional frames that just contain the word "penis". I wouldn't be su…

> 1. Anytime you give someone freedom to create (anything), you will end up with a penis drawing. Just scrolling through quickly I see that Frame #13122 delivers on this law of the universe. After watching the movie preview, I only watched the first 45-50 seconds and counted about 4-5 drawings of the bodypart and 6-8 additional frames that just contain the word "penis". I wouldn't be surprised if 2-4% of the total frames submitted contain this specific content.

Are there any YC startups specializing in detecting penises? They can probably help.

Re: The Free Movie

#33

Post by excalibur »

civilitty wrote: post #32
jacurtis wrote: post #26

Amazing Idea, but a few problems 1. Anytime you give someone freedom to create (anything), you will end up with a penis drawing. Just scrolling through quickly I see that Frame #13122 delivers on this law of the universe. After watching the movie preview, I only watched the first 45-50 seconds and counted about 4-5 drawings of the bodypart and 6-8 additional frames that just contain the word "penis". I wouldn't be su…

> 1. Anytime you give someone freedom to create (anything), you will end up with a penis drawing. Just scrolling through quickly I see that Frame #13122 delivers on this law of the universe. After watching the movie preview, I only watched the first 45-50 seconds and counted about 4-5 drawings of the bodypart and 6-8 additional frames that just contain the word "penis". I wouldn't be surprised if 2-4% of the total fr…

Not sure whether you were specifically referencing it, but this was made for an episode of Silicon Valley, and is also a real, functional app.

On the show, it was originally created for detecting hot dogs, but found a second (and far more lucrative) life as a penis detector.

https://www.engadget.com/2017-05-15-not-hotdog-app-hbo-silic...

More technical discussion here: https://medium.com/@timanglade/how-hbos-silicon-valley-built...

Re: The Free Movie

#34

Post by bsza »

People giving out tips on how to "improve" this probably didn't read the FAQ.

> The Free Movie is not about quality– in fact, that interpretation, that rawness, is the specific terroir want in the final film. To paraphrase MSCHF: shitty things are good.

Yes, there are better ways to rotoscope a movie than unmoderated crowdsourcing. So what? Not everything has to be over-engineered and optimized for 150% user experience. Considering how it was made, I think this is actually surprisingly watchable.

Re: The Free Movie

#35

Post by janalsncm »

crazygringo wrote: post #17
atulvi wrote: post #15

Poor execution, but great idea. Give users random frames. Obtain multiple drawings for each frame. average and reject frames that are too different from the average. voila!

I can't even begin to guess how you would numerically average or compare hairline drawings. If they were fully shaded frames it would work, but hairlines I have no idea. Also I observed that some frames left a dark background white, and others filled in a dark background as black. So you'd have to set up a lot of drawing "rules" to ensure it was even conceptually meaningful to generate an average in the first place.

Flag images which have less than a certain % covered. Probably garbage.

Pass the reference frame and each candidate drawing through a CNN. Measure the cosine similarity between the candidate embedding and the reference embedding. Flag drawings that fall below a threshold.

Pass candidates through CLIP. Flag images with obvious garbage descriptions.

Re: The Free Movie

#36

Post by qingcharles »

civilitty wrote: post #32
jacurtis wrote: post #26

Amazing Idea, but a few problems 1. Anytime you give someone freedom to create (anything), you will end up with a penis drawing. Just scrolling through quickly I see that Frame #13122 delivers on this law of the universe. After watching the movie preview, I only watched the first 45-50 seconds and counted about 4-5 drawings of the bodypart and 6-8 additional frames that just contain the word "penis". I wouldn't be su…

> 1. Anytime you give someone freedom to create (anything), you will end up with a penis drawing. Just scrolling through quickly I see that Frame #13122 delivers on this law of the universe. After watching the movie preview, I only watched the first 45-50 seconds and counted about 4-5 drawings of the bodypart and 6-8 additional frames that just contain the word "penis". I wouldn't be surprised if 2-4% of the total fr…

I don't even know if external links to Twitter work any longer, but Elon claims that Twitter has a "dick pic bot": (maybe joking?)

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1678143935976464384?s=20

Re: The Free Movie

#37

Post by luispauloml »

jacurtis wrote: post #26

Amazing Idea, but a few problems 1. Anytime you give someone freedom to create (anything), you will end up with a penis drawing. Just scrolling through quickly I see that Frame #13122 delivers on this law of the universe. After watching the movie preview, I only watched the first 45-50 seconds and counted about 4-5 drawings of the bodypart and 6-8 additional frames that just contain the word "penis". I wouldn't be su…

> There really should be a minimum "ink" or "coverage" amount before determining that a frame has been given a proper amount of effort in the drawing.

I know what you mean and I agree, but your example of measuring ink usage reminds me of measuring a programmer's productivity by counting the number of lines of code they've written. What would be the equivalent of deleting lines, though?

Re: The Free Movie

#38

Post by throwaway4837 »

sfink wrote: post #29

This is brilliant. Often, people will come up with clever-sounding ideas for how to "fix" some part of the internet. "Just let people do X and it'll all work out!" The movie generated by this project is a perfect illustration of what happens: you'll get some excellent results from a small subset, the bulk of people will contribute in some small but productive way, and you'll get a small-to-moderate sized group whose…

It can work well for restricted inputs, like Twitch Plays Pokemon. The FREE Movie is too open-ended. They should do a simple distance check to throw out frames that don't overlap much with the original frame. They could also have a frame-voting mode where you basically just get a stream of frames and swipe right if it looks good, left if it looks bad, then use the crowdsourced data so that the movie plays with the current highest voted frames.

Re: The Free Movie

#39

Post by throwaway4837 »

bsza wrote: post #34

People giving out tips on how to "improve" this probably didn't read the FAQ. > The Free Movie is not about quality– in fact, that interpretation, that rawness, is the specific terroir want in the final film. To paraphrase MSCHF: shitty things are good. Yes, there are better ways to rotoscope a movie than unmoderated crowdsourcing. So what? Not everything has to be over-engineered and optimized for 150% user experien…

Every other frame is "penis" text, a drawing of a penis, or something similar. I believe it's a work of art nonetheless, definitely cool. If they did it "right" the result would just end up looking like someone took the original movie, converted it to 16-color space, then randomly moved around groups of pixels. I agree the way this is was executed was much more interesting than the "right" way. It's a cool experiment!

Re: The Free Movie

#40

Post by chaxor »

civilitty wrote: post #32
jacurtis wrote: post #26

Amazing Idea, but a few problems 1. Anytime you give someone freedom to create (anything), you will end up with a penis drawing. Just scrolling through quickly I see that Frame #13122 delivers on this law of the universe. After watching the movie preview, I only watched the first 45-50 seconds and counted about 4-5 drawings of the bodypart and 6-8 additional frames that just contain the word "penis". I wouldn't be su…

> 1. Anytime you give someone freedom to create (anything), you will end up with a penis drawing. Just scrolling through quickly I see that Frame #13122 delivers on this law of the universe. After watching the movie preview, I only watched the first 45-50 seconds and counted about 4-5 drawings of the bodypart and 6-8 additional frames that just contain the word "penis". I wouldn't be surprised if 2-4% of the total fr…

https://github.com/ccaldarella99/hotdog_not_hotdog
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