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Re: Interaction to Next Paint (INP)

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I'm lacking lots of context obviously but: What good is a sophisticated metric when the pages they index are mostly blogspam SO clones etc? I'm not interested in the "most responsive" SO clone. Seems out of touch with what Google search is struggling with these days.

I don’t know what made you think this was somehow the only factor in their ranking algorithm or even a particularly heavily weighted one.

Re: Interaction to Next Paint (INP)

#32

The real metric: INP with ad blocking enabled. Example: NYTimes.com on Mobile Safari with AdGuard. 18 seconds. Google is being really disingenuous with its so called metrics. A stroke of the pen could make INP 200ms across the top 500 sites.

Google is an ad company. Why would they make metrics that penalize ads?

And yet… this is a real thing they do. https://www.searchenginejournal.com/google-on-how-it-handles...

Re: Interaction to Next Paint (INP)

#33

The real metric: INP with ad blocking enabled. Example: NYTimes.com on Mobile Safari with AdGuard. 18 seconds. Google is being really disingenuous with its so called metrics. A stroke of the pen could make INP 200ms across the top 500 sites.

NYTimes feels like a SSG when browsing (chrome) from Europe after initial payload but that's as an unauthenticated user with ublock. The sad part is that I can't read most of the articles due to the paywall.

Re: Interaction to Next Paint (INP)

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post #12
post #10

We started seeing reports about it in GSC early July, when over a single day all our scores turned to crap with no explanation. We are in the yellow, but the biggest culprits for blocking time are...Google Tag Manager, GAds (and Ganalytics where we still have it). So yeah, thanks Google, can't wait to lose on SEO due to your own products. And also, thanks for releasing this without the proper analysis tooling. ( http…

>We are in the yellow, but and biggest culprits for blocking time are...Google Tag Manager, GAds and GAnalytics. This has been the case for over a decade with Google's "Lighthouse" analysis tool as well. I used to use it as part of a site analysis suite for my clients - a good portion of the time, my smaller clients would end up deciding to replace Google Analytics entirely with a different product because of it.

Yes a lot of analytics use cases for smaller clients boil down to a server report of page requests. Obviously with google ads you're using it to monetize so that's a different story, but the client side analytics that google provide are bloated and usually overkill for most sites.

Re: Interaction to Next Paint (INP)

#38
post #31
post #7

I'm lacking lots of context obviously but: What good is a sophisticated metric when the pages they index are mostly blogspam SO clones etc? I'm not interested in the "most responsive" SO clone. Seems out of touch with what Google search is struggling with these days.

I don’t know what made you think this was somehow the only factor in their ranking algorithm or even a particularly heavily weighted one.

> I don’t know what made you think this was somehow the only factor in their ranking algorithm or even a particularly heavily weighted one

I don't think I implied this at all actually.

Re: Interaction to Next Paint (INP)

#39
post #12
post #10

We started seeing reports about it in GSC early July, when over a single day all our scores turned to crap with no explanation. We are in the yellow, but the biggest culprits for blocking time are...Google Tag Manager, GAds (and Ganalytics where we still have it). So yeah, thanks Google, can't wait to lose on SEO due to your own products. And also, thanks for releasing this without the proper analysis tooling. ( http…

>We are in the yellow, but and biggest culprits for blocking time are...Google Tag Manager, GAds and GAnalytics. This has been the case for over a decade with Google's "Lighthouse" analysis tool as well. I used to use it as part of a site analysis suite for my clients - a good portion of the time, my smaller clients would end up deciding to replace Google Analytics entirely with a different product because of it.

> > We are in the yellow, but and biggest culprits for blocking time are...Google Tag Manager, GAds and GAnalytics.

> ...a good portion of the time, my smaller clients would end up deciding to replace Google Analytics entirely with a different product because of it.

This seems like a good outcome, then? Market pressure may be the only way to get Google analytics to finally cut their footprint.

Re: Interaction to Next Paint (INP)

#40
post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What "setup"? Parent said Mobile Safari. The setup come off of the factory as a given.

Maybe AdGuard? Maybe they have 2G internet? Something isn't right, and I have a hard time believing it's NYTimes given my experiences with their website.

Don’t even get me started with 2G (or even flaky wifi networks) internet and JS-heavy pages.
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