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Tuition costs have risen 710% since 1983

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Re: Tuition costs have risen 710% since 1983

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

If it is 'free', then why are students in debt and liable for it? (and don't confuse the issue with current debt relief bill. The current bill has not been in effect since 1983, it is trying to give relief for this situation, not causing it).

It's free for universities who can rest easy knowing that if students don't pay then it doesn't affect them.

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Re: Tuition costs have risen 710% since 1983

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The only service category that has outpaced higher education is hospital services. https://www.aei.org/carpe-diem/chart-of-the-day-or-century/

Most of the 'service' industry is subsidized by cheap foreign labor. Harder for Schools and Hospitals to hire illegal/unskilled workers.

Re: Tuition costs have risen 710% since 1983

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Main cause: Government-backed student loans. While it is technically the student paying, in reality the money is going (indirectly) from the federal reserve to the universities. Everyone loves free government money... The fact the student may never pay off those loans (and hence the government foots the bill) is the cherry on top.

I believe this is no accident. The government wants a world class education system and leading research. They could just give money direct to universities - but then it's hard to ensure they're getting good value for money. But by giving it to students to in turn give to universities they get better value for money. One day someone has to pay for that - and the students paying it back via loan repayments isn't awfull…

A world-class education system where you can leave the $200k in debt and never exceed $100k in income.

We're at a point where going into college for non-STEM degree can (and likely will be) one of the biggest mistakes of your life.

Re: Tuition costs have risen 710% since 1983

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Stating that inflation is at 194% can be misleading - it all depends on which products you include in your calculation. It might be more meaningful to differentiate between predictable and measured inflation. Predictable inflation should be defined as the increase in the money supply, while measured inflation could refer to the currently published figures.

Re: Tuition costs have risen 710% since 1983

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Did tuition grow that much more than inflation, or is inflation understated ?

Inflation is lumpy. This is the localized rate of inflation in the higher education industry. As another commenter pointed out, TVs have a much more favorable rate.

Re: Tuition costs have risen 710% since 1983

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Makes sense when you have student loans backed by the federal government. If an 18 year old with no money and no credit history gets accepted into a qualifying university, she will be able to receive a loan since the bank knows that the government will protect their investment if she fails to pay them back. So now young people have this easy access to credit, and universities can greatly increase tuition and fees wit…

Worse than just "backed by the federal government," the loans are basically protected by the government. Being one of the small list of things you can't bankrupt out of, the risk in giving out the loans has been fully pulled from the lenders. It is frustrating to hear the discourse over the inappropriate students that are taking on too much debt, all the while ignoring the lenders that are taking on too much risk. At…

> lenders that are taking on too much risk

The lenders are taking no risks since these loans cannot be discharged through bankruptcy. There are also very large late fees and penalties that can triple (or more) the amount owed.

Re: Tuition costs have risen 710% since 1983

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The only service category that has outpaced higher education is hospital services. https://www.aei.org/carpe-diem/chart-of-the-day-or-century/

Related: https://www.aei.org/carpe-diem/chart-of-the-day-administrati...

I always thought the issue was in admin body count. However, just picking the largest universities in Germany and US on wikipedia we see:

Ludwig Maximilian University of Munich Academic staff: 5,565 Administrative staff: 8,208 Students: 51,606

Michigan State University Academic staff: 5,703 Administrative staff: 7,365 Students: 49,809

Those look pretty comparable, so what is going on?

Re: Tuition costs have risen 710% since 1983

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I would love to see comparative data on how the average college-educated worker's earnings have changed during the same time frame! My guess is that the adjusted wages haven't risen much over time, or at least nowhere near as steeply as the associated education costs have.

A better method to analyze college cost is to look at expected lifetime income gain for a college degree vs not having one. If it's significantly net positive, then college is a good investment.

Since 1980, that has gone up a lot. This method is

Re: Tuition costs have risen 710% since 1983

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Makes sense when you have student loans backed by the federal government. If an 18 year old with no money and no credit history gets accepted into a qualifying university, she will be able to receive a loan since the bank knows that the government will protect their investment if she fails to pay them back. So now young people have this easy access to credit, and universities can greatly increase tuition and fees wit…

Worse than just "backed by the federal government," the loans are basically protected by the government. Being one of the small list of things you can't bankrupt out of, the risk in giving out the loans has been fully pulled from the lenders. It is frustrating to hear the discourse over the inappropriate students that are taking on too much debt, all the while ignoring the lenders that are taking on too much risk. At…

What "lenders," and what "market" are you talking about? 92% of all student debt was issued by the federal government. As a matter of social policy, the government does not meaningfully consider credit risk when issuing student loans.

Re: Tuition costs have risen 710% since 1983

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Makes sense when you have student loans backed by the federal government. If an 18 year old with no money and no credit history gets accepted into a qualifying university, she will be able to receive a loan since the bank knows that the government will protect their investment if she fails to pay them back. So now young people have this easy access to credit, and universities can greatly increase tuition and fees wit…

Worse than just "backed by the federal government," the loans are basically protected by the government. Being one of the small list of things you can't bankrupt out of, the risk in giving out the loans has been fully pulled from the lenders. It is frustrating to hear the discourse over the inappropriate students that are taking on too much debt, all the while ignoring the lenders that are taking on too much risk. At…

The first I had heard about this was from libertarians complaining about the government backing causing the tuition increase.

This was among a debate where people were asking for more federal and state funding.

Its crazy to see this point become so mainstream. I suppose it was inevitable if it was the truth.

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