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Re: More green spaces linked to slower biological aging

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post #22

I don't see in the paper they adjusted by family size. They mention socioeconomic status but that isn't the same thing. Would it be possible people living in urban areas close to parks have less kids or no children at all? Usually real state closer to parks within the city permiter are much more expensive, the same money buys you less square footage. I have done my own study with 7 siblings in my family half with chi…

The parenting factor is actually quite interesting because while I think most of us would agree that parents look older faster, the overall trend is that they make up for it by living longer than their non-parent peers. It's not a huge difference: 2 additional years in men, 1.5 in women; but it's significant enough[1]. --- [1] https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28292784/

> It's not a huge difference: 2 additional years in men, 1.5 in women; but it's significant enough

I would be careful to conclude causality here. There are a lot of confounding factors in these studies. For instance, most childless people are not childless by choice but due to already existing illnesses which predispose them to shorter lifespans. Socioeconomic factors also play a huge role. For instance, the numerous studies which show that adoptive parents live longer than their childless counterparts need to account for the wealth and lifestyle factors that allow these parents to adopt kids in the first place.

There have also been studies showing an inverse relationship. Nonetheless, a clear fact is this: "People with children live longer than people without". IMHO, they need a robust study on otherwise healthy and socioeconomically stable individuals (perhaps otherwise childless by choice sperm/egg donors) with healthy counterparts. In order to see, if something like, "In order to increase your longevity, its good to have kids." is reasonable or not. Personally, I'd say the judge is still out on that one.

Re: More green spaces linked to slower biological aging

#32
post #22

I don't see in the paper they adjusted by family size. They mention socioeconomic status but that isn't the same thing. Would it be possible people living in urban areas close to parks have less kids or no children at all? Usually real state closer to parks within the city permiter are much more expensive, the same money buys you less square footage. I have done my own study with 7 siblings in my family half with chi…

The parenting factor is actually quite interesting because while I think most of us would agree that parents look older faster, the overall trend is that they make up for it by living longer than their non-parent peers. It's not a huge difference: 2 additional years in men, 1.5 in women; but it's significant enough[1]. --- [1] https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28292784/

What variables did they control for?

Re: More green spaces linked to slower biological aging

#33

We need to stop doing these pointless studies. Everything is linked to everything, showing it is is a waste of money because (1) we already know and (2) we can't use this info because we don't know what causes what. But people would rather click on these pieces and feel good having their assumptions confirmed that learn and actually improve our society.

People do these studies so that you can then use it to actually improve society by, let's say increase and improve our green spaces. When someone asks you why you're wasting time and money on a silly childish thing like a greener city instead of more asphalt for Business Inc. you can point to this study.

Most of the time, people are pretty good at knowing what they want.

Everyone seems to want the city completely paved over in roads and parking and places to shop and eat and do as much for as cheap as humanly possible.

There's a small number of people who want greenspace and acknowledge it comes at a cost, and they seek it out.

Everyone else seeks out more cheap appliances and clothes and gasoline.

Re: More green spaces linked to slower biological aging

#34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People do these studies so that you can then use it to actually improve society by, let's say increase and improve our green spaces. When someone asks you why you're wasting time and money on a silly childish thing like a greener city instead of more asphalt for Business Inc. you can point to this study.

Most of the time, people are pretty good at knowing what they want. Everyone seems to want the city completely paved over in roads and parking and places to shop and eat and do as much for as cheap as humanly possible. There's a small number of people who want greenspace and acknowledge it comes at a cost, and they seek it out. Everyone else seeks out more cheap appliances and clothes and gasoline.

By this logic we must conclude that only a tiny portion of people actually want to live in beachfront properties and take a few months off to travel every year.

Everyone else seeks out cheaper apartments and 9-5 jobs with two weeks vacation.

Re: More green spaces linked to slower biological aging

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

But we already know green spaces are nice. And this study does not prove anything about them being good for people. Maybe instead of X USD on this study we should have spent that money on an actual green space somewhere...

Not everyone agrees. Land is a scarce asset and plenty of people would rather have something else, like parking.

So you will need to do REAL research to convince them. Which this isnt...

Re: More green spaces linked to slower biological aging

#37
post #23

correlation does not equal to causation I'd insert the hand clapping emoji if I could; probably why it isn't allowed here. This isn't too dissimilar to people who eat salmon live longer despite higher mercury content detected in blood. it's not the salmon rather it's the fact that they are able to consistently able to afford salmon.

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Re: More green spaces linked to slower biological aging

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most of the time, people are pretty good at knowing what they want. Everyone seems to want the city completely paved over in roads and parking and places to shop and eat and do as much for as cheap as humanly possible. There's a small number of people who want greenspace and acknowledge it comes at a cost, and they seek it out. Everyone else seeks out more cheap appliances and clothes and gasoline.

By this logic we must conclude that only a tiny portion of people actually want to live in beachfront properties and take a few months off to travel every year. Everyone else seeks out cheaper apartments and 9-5 jobs with two weeks vacation.

You could.

There's plenty of beachfront places in other countries American families could easily afford and retire and yet chose to work to live in dumpy apartments in Manhattan instead.

It only works if it's within your financial means.

We can't all assume everyone doesn't want a $200M house in the hills with a megayacht and a full staff because they don't have it. They don't have the means.

But if you have the means and chose something else, it's not because you're dumb and society is evil and tricking you. It's because that's what you want.

Re: More green spaces linked to slower biological aging

#40
post #10

Farmers look famously young for their age ... put a 30 year old farmer and a 40 year old lawyer in a room together and you might mistake one for the others father.

> Farmers look famously young for their age

I come from a family of farmers. I would not agree with this statement.

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