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A Look at Bluesky

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Re: A Look at Bluesky

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Post by Hamuko »

codetrotter wrote: post #29
fullqwerty wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I someone has an invite, I'd love to explore it!

Do you guys remember when Gmail was in private beta, back when it launched, and you needed an invite? I got my invite from a website where people shared their invite links. After creating an account, and using it for a while I also got the ability to share invites with like 10 people or something. I don’t even know if doing that kind of thing would work today though, given how many spammers and such trawl the interne…

People are absolutely scraping the invite codes. It's not even hard considering that they're all /^bsky-social-[a-z0-9]{5}-[a-z0-9]{5}$/. That's why if you're begging for a Bluesky invite, you should ensure that people can actually contact you privately (which you can't do on HN).

Re: A Look at Bluesky

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Post by vidarh »

iptq wrote: post #11

> A benefit of atproto users is that they are transferable without needing an active server This is not exactly true, it just means the server that holds ur data (traditionally instance or home server) doesn't need to be involved in the transfer process. However, this has centralized identity resolution, which is not a good long term solution. > For example, someone was able to get the AWS S3 domain as their handle!…

How transfer of accounts happens isn't part of the ActivityPub protocol at all - it was added last year to Mastodon just using ActivityPub as a transport.

A big improvement is possible "just" by making instances revalidate the URI against webfinger regularly (you'd still need to plan ahead for that, but it'd enable "stable" usernames) and secondly by allowing for a key pair to let users sign messages to make claims about ownership and which account is current. That would make it possible to enable fully unilateral moves.

Neither would require any changes to ActivityPub.

Re: A Look at Bluesky

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Post by RobotToaster »

redsolver wrote: post #24
reflexco wrote: post #13

One thing I don't understand is how can Bluesky pretend to be more open than Twitter when it's been months and it's still an invite-only closed garden?

Well, for one you can download all data on the network (posts, likes, follows, ...) using a free public API, even in real-time. If you want to try Bluesky without an invite code, you can run your own PDS (personal data server) today and federate with the official sandbox network, there are already 100 servers doing that: https://atscan.net/pds

Judging by how they can apparently wipe all the data and remove people from the network on a whim, it doesn't seem very decentralised.

Re: A Look at Bluesky

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Post by timeon »

tsimionescu wrote: post #23
mbStavola wrote: post #3

I'm not 100% sold on ATProto, but the fact that my identity and content can live separately from an instance is an insanely huge advantage over ActivityPub. I do not want to run my own Mastodon server (though I do) but I also don't want to use someone else's server and put my account at the mercy of the operator. It's maddening to think about how I could build a following or amass a ton of quality posts, only for the…

> I think more and more people are getting fed up with centralized platforms / not owning their data. Given the meteoric rise of TikTok, I don't think there is any sign of this being true outside a small techy bubble. At least, not as a percentage (that is, the growth in the number of people who are fed up with centralized platforms is dwarfed by the growth in the number of people who are fine with centralized platfo…

'More and more people' can still be just minority. But niche is there.

Re: A Look at Bluesky

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Post by vidarh »

Hamuko wrote: post #28

I still don't understand the point of ActivityPub. Everyone one wants every social media, blog, news site to implement it. Why? RSS already exists to aggregate all of those into a single place. And having interacted with infosec.exchange, I came to the conclusion that long-form content doesn't mix well with microblogging and that Mastodon is a shit interface for it. I have a completely different software for my RSS f…

RSS is one way, ActivityPub two. If your blog makes articles available to ActivityPub, then people can e.g. comment directly on the blog post without having to post a link to it, and others can follow those posts.

If you don't like Mastodon, there's Pleroma, Misskey, Calkey and others, as well as apps, or you can find RSS feeds from them if you just want to read, or you can use one of the alternate web frontends.

Re: A Look at Bluesky

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Post by lloydatkinson »

I’ve got a Bluesky invite yet can’t use it because “account creation is temporarily limited”. Seems they’ve totally missed the opportunity of Twitter getting worse over the weekend.

Re: A Look at Bluesky

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Post by KoftaBob »

voytec wrote: post #25

Launching federatable(?) protocol and platform as non-federated, centralized one doesn't spawn confidence in me. The limited registration policy appears to be fueling the desire and excitement by creating a sense of exclusivity that amplifies the demand and anticipation. Reminds me of South Park's "Cartmanland" episode[1]. There's also the fact that Bluesky is run by Jack, who founded and managed pre-Musk Twitter "1.…

> There's also the fact that Bluesky is run by Jack

That's not accurate, Jack gave the Bluesky/AT Protocol organization initial grant money, but he doesn't "run" it. The CEO is Jay Graber.

Re: A Look at Bluesky

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Post by that_guy_iain »

reflexco wrote: post #13

One thing I don't understand is how can Bluesky pretend to be more open than Twitter when it's been months and it's still an invite-only closed garden?

Well, it's still under a massive amount of development. Most basic features aren't there. Such as I can't change my email I used when I signed up. This is an issue for people since I typo'd it when I signed up. You can't change your password, you can create new app passwords. Since these are super basic features, it kinda shows how all the other stuff are.

Realistically, I don't think it could handle a full enslaught of new users and wants to onboard slowly which makes sense from a development point of view. The issue is, it's basically dead or just full of shitposts. Which has no real value.

And the number of people who want on it aren't actually that high, I've got 3 invites and no one to invite.

Re: A Look at Bluesky

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Post by devttyeu »

RobotToaster wrote: post #33
redsolver wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, for one you can download all data on the network (posts, likes, follows, ...) using a free public API, even in real-time. If you want to try Bluesky without an invite code, you can run your own PDS (personal data server) today and federate with the official sandbox network, there are already 100 servers doing that: https://atscan.net/pds

Judging by how they can apparently wipe all the data and remove people from the network on a whim, it doesn't seem very decentralised.

You can download and keep your data and keep a backup, it's all content-addressed (like git repos), and just upload to another instance

Like moving from GitHub to GitLab.

Each instance then has its own moderation policies, again, kind of like GitHub. But your identity is still your identity, and you can keep a copy of your data.

Re: A Look at Bluesky

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Post by that_guy_iain »

RobotToaster wrote: post #33
redsolver wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, for one you can download all data on the network (posts, likes, follows, ...) using a free public API, even in real-time. If you want to try Bluesky without an invite code, you can run your own PDS (personal data server) today and federate with the official sandbox network, there are already 100 servers doing that: https://atscan.net/pds

Judging by how they can apparently wipe all the data and remove people from the network on a whim, it doesn't seem very decentralised.

As far as I know, It's not decentralised at all at the moment.

But do you have more info on this wiping data and removing people claim? All I've seen is people pissy because someone wasn't banned for something rather minor.

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