So using Adobe Firefly is fine, since they only trained on data they had the rights to?
Valve is not willing to publish games with AI generated content anymore?
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Re: Valve is not willing to publish games with AI generated content anymore?
#32Where do they draw the line? What about DLSS? Doesn't any game using that have "AI generated graphics"? I guess their email wording focused specifically on assets. Does that mean if you don't pre-bake assets in as artifacts, you're fine?
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#33We're on the cusp of a profound content shovelware crisis. It will happen regardless, but any oasis of real content will become important.
Automation will be a force multiplier for laziness and predation more so than for creativity.
Re: Valve is not willing to publish games with AI generated content anymore?
#34Where do they draw the line? What about DLSS? Doesn't any game using that have "AI generated graphics"? I guess their email wording focused specifically on assets. Does that mean if you don't pre-bake assets in as artifacts, you're fine?
DLSS is trained on the games themselves no?
There isn't one trained model per game I think, to update DLSS manually you just replace a .dll file.
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#35Basically valve is saying no AI generated content. The premise is that all AI generated content violates copyright which isn't necessarily true. To me, it sounds like their side stepping a potential issue rather than an actual issue with a copyright holder complaining of infringement with a particular IP.
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#36Where do they draw the line? What about DLSS? Doesn't any game using that have "AI generated graphics"? I guess their email wording focused specifically on assets. Does that mean if you don't pre-bake assets in as artifacts, you're fine?
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#37I do not believe this will be limited to Valve. I expect more companies to start covering their backside by implementing similar rules to avoid copyright lawsuits. I can't say I would blame them either. I am not a lawyer but I think one of the risks is that LLM's do not show their work so proving where something came from is likely to end up in court after a lot of expensive discovery is performed.
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#38This just creates a moral hazard to not disclose the use of any AI-generated assets, which is something other creative industries have already learnt the hard way. Recent text-to-image models have improved enough such that it's possible to get realistic, not-Midjourney-dreaminess in the generations with a modicium of effort, so banning obviously-AI-generated images is shortsighted and unsustainable.
> This just creates a moral hazard to not disclose the use of any AI-generated assets
The whole space is somewhat amusing to me. what is the bigger moral hazard: Openly disclosing everything about your content pipeline and getting your team's efforts shitcanned, or keeping everything private unless a court order shows up?
Re: Valve is not willing to publish games with AI generated content anymore?
#39This seems utterly impossible to enforce. You really going to guarantee that your design firm didn't use AI to generate the assets?
It's a CYA thing. Steam says "we don't allow AI content". Someone shoves AI content on the platform anyways. If it can be proved they violated the TOS, they then have the ability to nuke their game and stop someone from suing them. If they can't prove it, well they can't prove it and the game stays. To do otherwise opens up the door to steam having to "vet" all the AI content. So yes AI content will slip through (in…
If Steam (or probably more likely Steam's lawyers) is/are worried about liability, shouldn't Epic be also? The lawsuits are firing up, I wouldn't want to be the whipping boy chosen by the copyright holders to punish.
Re: Valve is not willing to publish games with AI generated content anymore?
#40This seems utterly impossible to enforce. You really going to guarantee that your design firm didn't use AI to generate the assets?
I don't think it's really about enforcement. It's more about liability.
Valve has an official position that they don't allow AI content (apparently). When the lawsuits show up they can say that they don't serve any AI content as official policy. When someone points out the AI content that they do serve, then they pull out their expert witness that testifies that their AI detection method is as good as possible and they couldn't haven been expected to do any better. Meanwhile, they're more than happy to remove anything explicitly flagged that falls through the cracks.
Finally, I suspect that anyone who can prove that they're able and willing to indemnify Valve against lawsuits for AI content that their game contains will be allowed to have AI content.