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Microsoft, OpenAI sued for ChatGPT 'privacy violations'

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Re: Microsoft, OpenAI sued for ChatGPT 'privacy violations'

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Post by ghaff »

replwoacause wrote: post #15
frakt0x90 wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In my sample size of one, an attorney I talked to said that Microsoft Word was the most important software he and his colleagues used. So my guess is they're just really good with Word.

Thanks! That surprises me but maybe it shouldn’t. I figured it was some purpose-built software for attorneys.

Word has pretty good revision tracking and support for footnotes which are probably the main things lawyers use more than most average people do. And remember that lawyers communicate a lot with clients, etc. too so there would be a lot of friction associated with a non-standard tool.

When I worked on an expert witness report for a big law firm we just used Word.

Re: Microsoft, OpenAI sued for ChatGPT 'privacy violations'

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Post by barathr »

Rather than there being lawsuit after lawsuit of this sort, we wrote an op-ed this morning that says there should be a simple, compulsory licensing fee that AI companies pay to the public -- something we called the AI Dividend: https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2023/06/29/ai-pay-ame...

Re: Microsoft, OpenAI sued for ChatGPT 'privacy violations'

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Post by brookst »

prng2021 wrote: post #27
data-ottawa wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can personally memorize and recite copyrighted works all I want, but when ChatGPT does it then it’s in a commercial context and they’re liable to be sued for infringement. If you ask ChatGPT the rules for D&D, the private sourcebooks are all in there.

I don’t get your point. Whether you use copyrighted material in commercial context or not always matters. That’s one of the most important aspects of different open source licenses.

A license does not redefine copyright law.

I can give you a rock that I own, which I hope we all agree is not copyrightable, and ask you to sign a license that you will keep it indoors. If you put it in your yard, you are breaking the license and potentially liable. This has nothing to do with copyright.

Re: Microsoft, OpenAI sued for ChatGPT 'privacy violations'

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Post by goatlover »

data-ottawa wrote: post #14
zug_zug wrote: post #10

Hard to understand how this is a crime, or how they came up with 3 billion dollars of damage. Seems like if it's legal for a person to do it should be legal for software to do for the most part.

I can personally memorize and recite copyrighted works all I want, but when ChatGPT does it then it’s in a commercial context and they’re liable to be sued for infringement. If you ask ChatGPT the rules for D&D, the private sourcebooks are all in there.

Has this been decided by the courts?

Re: Microsoft, OpenAI sued for ChatGPT 'privacy violations'

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Post by knaik94 »

>For the 16 plaintiffs, the complaint indicates that they used ChatGPT, as well as other internet services like Reddit, and expected that their digital interactions would not be incorporated into an AI model.

I don't expect this lawsuit to lead anywhere. But if it does, I hope it leads to some clear laws regarding data privacy and how TOS is binding. The recent ruling regarding web scraping makes the case against OpenAI a lot weaker. [1] Data scraping publicly available data is legal. People didn't need consent to having their data be used, there was an implicit assumption the moment the data was published to the public, like on reddit or youtube.

I keep seeing this idea reoccur in the suit:

>Plaintiff ... is concerned that Defendants have taken her skills and expertise, as reflected in [their] online contributions, and incorporated it into Products that could someday result in [their] professional obsolescence ...

Anyone is able to file a suit, I wish people stopped assuming that a news report automatically means it has merit.

1. https://www.natlawreview.com/article/hiq-and-linkedin-reach-...

Re: Microsoft, OpenAI sued for ChatGPT 'privacy violations'

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Post by svat »

replwoacause wrote: post #6

A tangential question...but does anyone know what software is used to generate legal documents that look like the PDF linked in the article? I’ve played with LaTeX templates a bit, but I seriously doubt law firms are futzing around with LaTeX for documents as complex as this. They must have some software that produces this formatting.

`pdfinfo` on the file says:

    Creator:         Acrobat PDFMaker 23 for Word
    Producer:        Adobe PDF Library 23.3.247; modified using iText® 7.1.6 ©2000-2019 iText Group NV (Administrative Office of the United States Courts; licensed version)
So it was likely made in Word and exported to PDF. (One can anyway guess from the "look" of the paragraphs that they're not using anything like Knuth–Plass line-breaking, which rules out things like *TeX and InDesign.)

Re: Microsoft, OpenAI sued for ChatGPT 'privacy violations'

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Post by gl-prod »

cheschire wrote: post #13
hospitalJail wrote: post #2

When this happened to Stable Diffusion, it was easy for me to consider it a necessary evil to progress humanity. When this happens to closedAI, it just seems like a profit grab. Not that it changes the legality of it. Just optics. Wonder if that matters in court.

First they came for the graphics artists, but I did not speak out because I was not a graphics artist. Then they came for the writers, but I did not speak out because I was not a writer. Then they came for me, and there was no one left to speak for me... well, except ChatGPT.

As a language model I cannot speak for you. But I can help you express your thoughts and views. I can generate words and sentences in many ways.

Re: Microsoft, OpenAI sued for ChatGPT 'privacy violations'

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Post by thumbuddy »

numbsafari wrote: post #4

It’s okay, I’m sure everything is going to be fine when Microsoft and ChatGPT hot mic your next doctor appointment. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36498294

Assuming Google, Amazon, etc haven't already been doing exactly that.

Re: Microsoft, OpenAI sued for ChatGPT 'privacy violations'

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Post by dmix »

numbsafari wrote: post #4

It’s okay, I’m sure everything is going to be fine when Microsoft and ChatGPT hot mic your next doctor appointment. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36498294

That says it's using GPT4 but it's not clear if it has anything to do with feeding back into ChatGPT.

> Nuance has strict data agreements with its customers, so patient data is fully encrypted and runs in HIPAA-compliant environments

Additionally Epic seems to already be storing these clinical notes in databases and Nuance which Microsoft owns has already technically been a 'hot mic' in these same doctors office for some time. The new offering is an AI-draft note generator.

I'm personally skeptical that model output would suddenly be under different rules than the other voice-to-text AI model output?

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