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Ironies of Automation (1983) [pdf]

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Re: Ironies of Automation (1983) [pdf]

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Post by gumby »

picture wrote: post #27
gumby wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It is likely that all of the chips in all of your devices never saw any direct human contact until they arrived at Foxconn or wherever. Bonding is not automated AFAIK.

Could you explain this a bit more? Do you mean wire bonding to package and/or silicon to interposer? Considering the number of bonds required and the extremely low cost of modern ICs, there's no way to manually bond them besides maybe precision stuff like the hand-trimmed Vishay resistors. The higher end modern chips are also BGA from silicon to interposer, or even directly WLCSP, so there's nothing for humans to do…

Sorry, I spoke very poorly. I meant that between completing a wafer and chips arriving at foxconn many humans are involved.

I didn't mean to imply that women were manually bonding wires like in the 1960s but it looked like that was what I was saying.

Re: Ironies of Automation (1983) [pdf]

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Post by tcgv »

dang wrote: post #29
nickpeterson wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The point of this paper about the relationship and absurdity of human-machine automation could not be better summarized than dang having to chime in with all the past submissions of the same paper.

I don't have to, I want to! because I think readers like looking at old threads.

Do you do it manually, or did you automate it? :)

Re: Ironies of Automation (1983) [pdf]

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Post by hobo_in_library »

jacquesm wrote: post #25
hobo_in_library wrote: post #16

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Fun fact: in the early days of silicon wafer manufacturing (60s or 70s IIRC) they would randomly have yields crater for a few days each month. Eventually they discovered yields were tanking when their female employee was on her period. Source: The Big Scoree

Source link or bs.

Dude, it was right there in my post

https://www.amazon.com/Big-Score-Billion-Dollar-Silicon/dp/1...

Re: Ironies of Automation (1983) [pdf]

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Post by hobo_in_library »

morkalork wrote: post #19
hobo_in_library wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fun fact: in the early days of silicon wafer manufacturing (60s or 70s IIRC) they would randomly have yields crater for a few days each month. Eventually they discovered yields were tanking when their female employee was on her period. Source: The Big Scoree

Why would yields be influenced by that?

According to the book they "found that during their menstrual periods female lab workers secreted extra oil in their hands, ruining wafers"

Re: Ironies of Automation (1983) [pdf]

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Post by fathyb »

tcgv wrote: post #32
dang wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't have to, I want to! because I think readers like looking at old threads.

Do you do it manually, or did you automate it? :)

According to the local folklore, a mixture of automated and manual labor is required to produce a top comment of related links: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35668525

Re: Ironies of Automation (1983) [pdf]

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Post by dang »

fathyb wrote: post #36
tcgv wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you do it manually, or did you automate it? :)

According to the local folklore, a mixture of automated and manual labor is required to produce a top comment of related links: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35668525

Correct, thanks, and if you'd like to answer other questions for me please go right ahead :)

Re: Ironies of Automation (1983) [pdf]

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Post by DonHopkins »

dang wrote: post #37
fathyb wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

According to the local folklore, a mixture of automated and manual labor is required to produce a top comment of related links: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35668525

Correct, thanks, and if you'd like to answer other questions for me please go right ahead :)

"Yes I am an replicant!" -dang

Re: Ironies of Automation (1983) [pdf]

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Post by dredmorbius »

jacquesm wrote: post #35
hobo_in_library wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Dude, it was right there in my post https://www.amazon.com/Big-Score-Billion-Dollar-Silicon/dp/1...

That's not a source.

No, it is a source.

Not one that's immediately online per that link, though you can obtain it.

You might also try:

Open Library: https://openlibrary.org/works/OL13358612W/The_big_score?edit...>

Library Genesis: http://libgen.rs/book/index.php?md5=96525CFC8A6A7C3132A80D43...>

A local library: https://www.worldcat.org/search?q=au%3Amalone+ti%3Athe+big+s...>

Re: Ironies of Automation (1983) [pdf]

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Post by dredmorbius »

dang wrote: post #37
fathyb wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

According to the local folklore, a mixture of automated and manual labor is required to produce a top comment of related links: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35668525

Correct, thanks, and if you'd like to answer other questions for me please go right ahead :)

We are your devoted automata.
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