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Re: Rubio Says He’s Heard Shocking ‘Firsthand’ Accounts of UFOs

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Post by caladin »

542458 wrote: post #26
likeabbas wrote: post #11

To try to catch hacker news up to the situation: David Grusch, A former NGA intelligence officer has recently come forward with allegations that there are waived, unacknowledged Special Access Programs that are reverse engineering non-human technology, and that these programs have not had proper congressional oversight. Why should we give him the time of day? Well, he was one of the highest intelligence officials in…

> There are only two outcomes from here Why are “David is having a very public mental health crisis.” or “David was mistaken about those programs.” not possibilities?

FTA:

> Rubio told NewsNation that there are others in the intelligence community who have come forward with “firsthand” accounts of UFO hardware. Rubio, a longtime advocate for transparency on the alien issue, claims there are several more intelligence whistleblowers with “high clearances” who have shared similar allegations with the Senate Intelligence Committee.

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Post by ray__ »

Even leaving aside arguments for the viability of extraterrestrials coming to our planet and then accidentally being detected by us, I rarely see anyone discuss the boring human aspect of stories like this–namely that there is simply no way that information about a close encounter wouldn't leak.

Even the largest successful government coverups (MKULTRA, Iran-Contra, etc.) required far fewer people to be "in the know" than would be required for something like a crashed or observed alien spacecraft. In addition to this, the people who would have to be in the know would not be a community of high-ranking intelligence officers who are dedicated to their mission. It would be janitors, construction workers, commercial radar operators, and the like. There is no way that people like this could be motivated to keep an existential threat like this under wraps.

Re: Rubio Says He’s Heard Shocking ‘Firsthand’ Accounts of UFOs

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Post by themodelplumber »

I did a bit of first-hand UFO account investigation for a while. Lots of people wanted to share their experiences as a narrative that they could control. Unfortunately when I started with a set of questions I had been working on to help me gather info, many of those same people would refuse to discuss further or wouldn't complete the questions.

Eventually I had to conclude that, among other things, a lot of folks are unconsciously concerned about the magic of the experience being taken away. (But maybe they don't realize it unless someone brings up that specific question, and until then they are pretty fiercely protective about what they saw.)

And one time I myself was out for a walk in the middle of the day, and saw what appeared to be a totally legit UFO in the distance. Well that's pretty wild, I thought. A real shape-shifter! A nearby contractor shouted, "am I the only one seeing this sh*t" and I was like "nope" and got out my 25x zoom camera to gather direct evidence!

Result: At high zoom it was obviously wedding-style white balloons in a bundle, resembling a morphing UFO.

I told the other guy what it was, and BOOM the magic in the air was gone. He looked SO disappointed, and I had to admit I felt that way too. By the time I got home I had half convinced myself never to do that again!

While I still leave room for there to be UAPs from wherever, IMO there are just tons and tons of different experiences with so many different phenomena. And most discussions are unfortunately going to hover around this real-vs-made-up dichotomy that's also just super unhelpful.

Re: Rubio Says He’s Heard Shocking ‘Firsthand’ Accounts of UFOs

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Post by likeabbas »

ftxbro wrote: post #29
likeabbas wrote: post #11

To try to catch hacker news up to the situation: David Grusch, A former NGA intelligence officer has recently come forward with allegations that there are waived, unacknowledged Special Access Programs that are reverse engineering non-human technology, and that these programs have not had proper congressional oversight. Why should we give him the time of day? Well, he was one of the highest intelligence officials in…

> "There are only two outcomes from here: either he is lying and this is some big government psy-op, or he is telling the truth." Nah there are other outcomes: they might be lying and it's not a big government psy-op, or they might be misinformed or deluded or caught up in a hysteria about things that are neither psy-ops nor the things that they say they are.

> they might be lying and it's not a big government psy-op

Why would he lie to congress under oath? He would go to jail.

> deluded or caught up in a hysteria about things that are neither psy-ops nor the things that they say they are.

Why would the senators make [this amendment](https://douglasjohnson.ghost.io/senate-intelligence-bill-giv...) to NDAA 2024 just 3 weeks after his allegations went public? The key portions being

> "a comprehensive list of all non-earth origin or exotic unidentified anomalous phenomena material" possessed and to make it available to the AARO director for "assessment, analysis, and inspection."

Re: Rubio Says He’s Heard Shocking ‘Firsthand’ Accounts of UFOs

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Post by likeabbas »

tomku wrote: post #30
likeabbas wrote: post #11

To try to catch hacker news up to the situation: David Grusch, A former NGA intelligence officer has recently come forward with allegations that there are waived, unacknowledged Special Access Programs that are reverse engineering non-human technology, and that these programs have not had proper congressional oversight. Why should we give him the time of day? Well, he was one of the highest intelligence officials in…

The whistleblower's actual bio, from the Debrief article: "At the National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency, Grusch served as a Senior Intelligence Capabilities Integration Officer, cleared at the Top Secret/Secret Compartmented Information level, and was the agency’s Senior Technical Advisor for Unidentified Aerial Phenomena analysis/Trans-Medium Issues. From 2016 to 2021, he served with the National Reconnaissance Of…

Explain this to me: Why would the senate intelligence committee pass an amendment to the NDAA 2024 just 3 weeks after Grusch's allegations went public that include the following:

> "a comprehensive list of all non-earth origin or exotic unidentified anomalous phenomena material" possessed and to make it available to the AARO director for "assessment, analysis, and inspection."

source: https://douglasjohnson.ghost.io/senate-intelligence-bill-giv...

Re: Rubio Says He’s Heard Shocking ‘Firsthand’ Accounts of UFOs

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Post by AlexandrB »

behrlich wrote: post #24
likeabbas wrote: post #11

To try to catch hacker news up to the situation: David Grusch, A former NGA intelligence officer has recently come forward with allegations that there are waived, unacknowledged Special Access Programs that are reverse engineering non-human technology, and that these programs have not had proper congressional oversight. Why should we give him the time of day? Well, he was one of the highest intelligence officials in…

> These allegations are incredibly serious. There are only two outcomes from here: either he is lying and this is some big government psy-op, or he is telling the truth. Either way, congress should investigate and get to the bottom of this. This is what is so frustrating about everyone dismissing this so off hand. Don't you at least want to get to the bottom of how large numbers of high ranking government officials h…

Was _something_ happening with "Havana Syndrome"? In the end, doesn't seem so.

In both cases Occam's Razor points to a bunch of people simply being fooled by their senses and doubling down on that time and time again. Meanwhile we'll waste a whole bunch of money chasing phantoms.

Re: Rubio Says He’s Heard Shocking ‘Firsthand’ Accounts of UFOs

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Post by likeabbas »

542458 wrote: post #26
likeabbas wrote: post #11

To try to catch hacker news up to the situation: David Grusch, A former NGA intelligence officer has recently come forward with allegations that there are waived, unacknowledged Special Access Programs that are reverse engineering non-human technology, and that these programs have not had proper congressional oversight. Why should we give him the time of day? Well, he was one of the highest intelligence officials in…

> There are only two outcomes from here Why are “David is having a very public mental health crisis.” or “David was mistaken about those programs.” not possibilities?

They might be possibilities. But, the senate intelligence committee recently passed an amendment to the NDAA 2024 just 3 weeks after Grusch went public to include the following:

> The new UAP language (found in Section 1104 of the bill) would require "any person currently or formerly under contract with the Federal Government that has in their possession material or information provided by or derived from the Federal Government relating to unidentified anomalous phenomena that formerly or currently is protected by any form of special access or restricted access" to notify the director of the All-domain Anomaly Resolution Office (AARO) within 60 days of enactment, and to provide within 180 days (six months) "a comprehensive list of all non-earth origin or exotic unidentified anomalous phenomena material" possessed and to make it available to the AARO director for "assessment, analysis, and inspection."

source: https://douglasjohnson.ghost.io/senate-intelligence-bill-giv...

Why would the senate intel committee do that if they didn't believe Grusch's claims?

Re: Rubio Says He’s Heard Shocking ‘Firsthand’ Accounts of UFOs

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Post by ftxbro »

likeabbas wrote: post #34
ftxbro wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> "There are only two outcomes from here: either he is lying and this is some big government psy-op, or he is telling the truth." Nah there are other outcomes: they might be lying and it's not a big government psy-op, or they might be misinformed or deluded or caught up in a hysteria about things that are neither psy-ops nor the things that they say they are.

> they might be lying and it's not a big government psy-op Why would he lie to congress under oath? He would go to jail. > deluded or caught up in a hysteria about things that are neither psy-ops nor the things that they say they are. Why would the senators make [this amendment]( https://douglasjohnson.ghost.io/senate-intelligence-bill-giv... ) to NDAA 2024 just 3 weeks after his allegations went public? The key port…

I'm not trying to explain why he would lie to congress or why senators do things. I was just giving other options that I think are more likely than the dichotomy that you laid out.

If I'm honest your dichotomy reminds me of some evangelists who are like 'either this guy was literally God or so many clergy have been misinformed or lying to an absurdly implausible degree for centuries or millennia, checkmate atheists' I'm not saying you are making that exact argument, but that's how your dichotomy sounds to me.

Re: Rubio Says He’s Heard Shocking ‘Firsthand’ Accounts of UFOs

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Post by themodelplumber »

ray__ wrote: post #32

Even leaving aside arguments for the viability of extraterrestrials coming to our planet and then accidentally being detected by us, I rarely see anyone discuss the boring human aspect of stories like this–namely that there is simply no way that information about a close encounter wouldn't leak. Even the largest successful government coverups (MKULTRA, Iran-Contra, etc.) required far fewer people to be "in the know"…

Isn't this why it's claimed that people employed by the government were told to intentionally spread some really wild stories? So that it seems like everybody's got a leak to share, reducing the impact of any other legitimate leaks of that nature?

Re: Rubio Says He’s Heard Shocking ‘Firsthand’ Accounts of UFOs

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Post by 2-718-281-828 »

jonny_eh wrote: post #2

When conspiracy theories become mainstream in politics, so does other non-sense like this. My question is then, who's keeping the secrets secret now?

we are living in a post-secret world. any actual secret will just drown in the noise. and if not it will be labeled a conspiracy theory. snowden and assange released secrets - the majority neither knows nor cares. mkultra stuff - tell this on a party and 90% will immediately label you a nut case. then you say - well, just read about it on wikipedia. nobody will care about that, they won't bother checking. but you'll be greated next time with "seen any ufos lately? lol"
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