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Googling 'abortion clinic near me'? The top result often an anti-abortion clinic

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Re: Googling 'abortion clinic near me'? The top result often an anti-abortion clinic

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Post by the_mar »

shp0ngle wrote: post #12

From my point of view, as someone who is pro life, it’s fine; it’s like showing anti-suicide line when you look for “how to kill myself” Sure the person wants to kill himself but should he .

Gross. No.

The difference there is no deception in suicide prevention. As you can see in the screenshots in the article, the anti-abortion clinics do pose as abortion clinics, instead of providing the person with facts.

Google had to make an extra label for this saying “provides abortion” and “does not provide abortions” because it is impossible to tell.

I would have no problem with pro life sites showing up that are open about it. When you google “how to kill yourself”, the suicide hotline does not hide behind “5 easy steps to killing yourself”

Re: Googling 'abortion clinic near me'? The top result often an anti-abortion clinic

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Post by afavour »

potatototoo99 wrote: post #11
afavour wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In what way are these situations comparable? If you google GitHub you’re probably looking for source control. GitLab offers source control. If you google “abortion providers” you’re looking to get an abortion. The ads you see are specifically for people who want to look like abortion providers but actually seek to stop you from getting one and don’t provide any abortion services at all. It’s like googling GitHub and…

Like searching for how to commit suicide and the top results being about dissuading you from it?

No because suicide and abortion are not comparable.

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Post by crisdux »

john-radio wrote: post #17
hexis wrote: post #5

I just googled GitHub and the top results were ads for circleci and gitlab. Buying ads for competitors keywords is extremely normal. Gitlab would love to dissuade me from using GitHub, just as a crisis pregnancy center would love to dissuade me from getting an abortion.

This conversation is about ethics. Google has no ethical obligation to help GitHub outcompete Gitlab; but it does have an ethical obligation to prevent anti-abortion centers from using Google services to trick young women into a lifetime of difficulty and poverty by misrepresenting themselves as medical providers. And what is more, we have an ethical obligations as Google's users and customers to force Google to beha…

Abortion is a complex and controversial issue. Google does not have an obligation to only show pro-choice material when searching abortion, because that would be a form of censorship and bias that would violate its own principles of neutrality and diversity. I am not persuaded by your argument that these search results will harm users.

Re: Googling 'abortion clinic near me'? The top result often an anti-abortion clinic

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Post by taejo »

mellosouls wrote: post #28

As a counter, abortion seems to show up more strongly when searching for anti-abortion. That may be appropriate - and its fine to point out possible bias but I think the article is perhaps not really researching this in an impartial way.

Nobody's ever in urgent need of an anti-abortion.

Re: Googling 'abortion clinic near me'? The top result often an anti-abortion clinic

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Post by MSFT_Edging »

beepbooptheory wrote: post #19

What services does an "anti-abortion clinic" even offer? Sounds a little oxymoronic to me.

They string you along until its too late to get an abortion, with promises of support, then drop you once the baby exists into a vacuum of support.

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Post by Goronmon »

swexbe wrote: post #22
Timon3 wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Then it would only be fair if abortion clinics show up on any searches for pediatricians, anything related to birth preparation, schools and the like.

False equivalence. Killing something and trying to stop someone from killing something is not the same.

False equivalence.

It's not false equivalence just because you don't like what the comparison says about your stance on an issue.

Pro-life stances are mainly about virtue-signaling anyways.

Re: Googling 'abortion clinic near me'? The top result often an anti-abortion clinic

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Post by Timon3 »

swexbe wrote: post #22
Timon3 wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Then it would only be fair if abortion clinics show up on any searches for pediatricians, anything related to birth preparation, schools and the like.

False equivalence. Killing something and trying to stop someone from killing something is not the same.

You're trying to push your morality on everyone. It's fine if you consider abortion to be murder, but the majority doesn't. Google for anti-abortion stuff all you like! But don't make it show up on unrelated searches, if you don't also want the opposite to happen.

Re: Googling 'abortion clinic near me'? The top result often an anti-abortion clinic

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Post by Dalewyn »

afavour wrote: post #9
hexis wrote: post #5

I just googled GitHub and the top results were ads for circleci and gitlab. Buying ads for competitors keywords is extremely normal. Gitlab would love to dissuade me from using GitHub, just as a crisis pregnancy center would love to dissuade me from getting an abortion.

In what way are these situations comparable? If you google GitHub you’re probably looking for source control. GitLab offers source control. If you google “abortion providers” you’re looking to get an abortion. The ads you see are specifically for people who want to look like abortion providers but actually seek to stop you from getting one and don’t provide any abortion services at all. It’s like googling GitHub and…

>If you google GitHub you’re probably looking for source control.

If I google Github I'm looking for github.com because I don't remember the URL or I don't know what an address bar is.

Re: Googling 'abortion clinic near me'? The top result often an anti-abortion clinic

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Post by prepend »

afavour wrote: post #9
hexis wrote: post #5

I just googled GitHub and the top results were ads for circleci and gitlab. Buying ads for competitors keywords is extremely normal. Gitlab would love to dissuade me from using GitHub, just as a crisis pregnancy center would love to dissuade me from getting an abortion.

In what way are these situations comparable? If you google GitHub you’re probably looking for source control. GitLab offers source control. If you google “abortion providers” you’re looking to get an abortion. The ads you see are specifically for people who want to look like abortion providers but actually seek to stop you from getting one and don’t provide any abortion services at all. It’s like googling GitHub and…

> In what way are these situations comparable?

People searching for GitHub are more likely to use git and therefore are gitlab’s target audience.

People searching for abortions are more likely to get an abortion and thus the target audience for anti-abortion orgs.

It seems logical from an advertising perspective even though you may not agree with it.

As a pregnant woman deciding what I do with my pregnancy, this isn’t even a bad ad as the info is probably something I’m interested in. Sometimes I know exactly what I want. Sometimes I’m researching options.

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