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Re: Goodbye, San Francisco

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Post by oldstrangers »

maerF0x0 wrote: post #23
oldstrangers wrote: post #15

"dense, central area and not in a single family house that’s 4 miles from downtown." This is kind of funny to me considering I'd guess for the majority of America, 4 miles is remarkably close.

It's remarkably close by car, and though it was common for me when I lived in SF, I do not know many people who enjoy 2.25ish hour (round trip) walks. And doing $25 a day in ubers adds up fast too.

He says he rides a bike, takes public transit, etc. Just don't think I'd write off a location based on a 4 mile commute but I realize its drastically different realities here.

Re: Goodbye, San Francisco

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Post by kneebonian »

whimsicalism wrote: post #7

People should consider moving to a different neighborhood first, pretty much none of these problems apply to me where I am in lower haight SF also has way fewer drug murders than cities I have lived in on the east coast

People should have a right to feel safe and secure in their home and possessions and not have to move because the state refuses to fulfill it's function.

Re: Goodbye, San Francisco

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

onlyrealcuzzo wrote: post #27
maerF0x0 wrote: post #19

> Thankfully, I escaped with only scrapes and bruises, but that was really upsetting for me, and I felt that it was only a matter of time before something worse happened. Lately, with my observation that much of American life is getting much much worse. I often think about leaving America entirely, attempting to hold my breath a little longer to get what America most has to offer these days -- superior compensation/s…

If you don't need diversity, year-round hot weather, and sky-rocking housing prices - there's tons of nice affordable places near The Great Lakes. Also, Philadelphia has some quite nice areas that are pretty affordable. And it's an easy train ride away from NYC.

The great lakes region doesn't have a great tech scene. Maybe Chicago, but otherwise you would be eeking out opportunities in college towns.

You might have better luck in SLC or Denver.

Re: Goodbye, San Francisco

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Post by causi »

ecshafer wrote: post #22

They mention in this the rebuttal "Other cities in the US are just as bad. Why are you picking on SF?" which matches my experience. The west coast cities are much much worse with regards to random violence than any of the cities in east coast or midwest I've been to in the last 5 years. Detroit, Chicago, Philly, NYC, Baltimore, sure they have violence and homeless people. But they feel much safer and back to normal t…

The common explanation I've heard is that on the east coast the poverty and violence is more condensed into ghetto areas whereas on the west coast the misery is spread around by having poor areas interleaved with rich ones. You might consider that more fair, but it also makes it much less predictable. Personally I like being able to choose to stay way the hell away from it.

Re: Goodbye, San Francisco

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Post by Philorandroid »

orangepurple wrote: post #5

The local crime statistics are saying that San Francisco is a safe city with crime trending downwards.

Could you post some citations? ADT's crime statistics seem pretty damning with 10x the national crime rate in some areas of downtown San Francisco. Even if the statistics indicate a decreasing crime rate, they would seem defiant of the most common kind of testimonials of the quarter-million-plus people who have left the area.

Re: Goodbye, San Francisco

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Post by shsachdev »

Downtown SF (and especially OP's neighborhood of 7th/8th Mission Street) is not the place to be. It's a bit like complaining about LA and living right near downtown.

Upper Market, North Beach, Hayes Valley, Valencia St, Mission Dolores, Polk Street, Upper Nob Hill, Haight Ashbury -- all fun locations.

I've lived near Dolores Park for the past 15 months now and have had a great experience. I've found community, made new friends, and have never felt unsafe whilst walking around at night.

We don't have highrise buildings or a thriving "downtown" like other urban cities, but we do have plenty of lively, energetic neighborhoods around the city and the best food & weather in the country.

I agree with the author that changes need to be made and that the homelessness problem is bad. But I think you can still have an overwhelmingly positive experience in the city if you pick one of the neighborhoods I mentioned above to live in.

Re: Goodbye, San Francisco

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Post by whimsicalism »

nemothekid wrote: post #24
orangepurple wrote: post #5

The local crime statistics are saying that San Francisco is a safe city with crime trending downwards.

The pocket which OP lives in is pretty much an encampment. I don't particularly understand OP's attachment to that area; I've also lived in SF for 10 years, and downtown SF is easily the most uninteresting part of SF to me; but I can understand feeling unsafe in that area even if it is statistically safe.

Seriously. his aversion to moving to other neighborhoods is ridiculous, he is practically living in the tenderloin

Re: Goodbye, San Francisco

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Post by onlyrealcuzzo »

maerF0x0 wrote: post #23
oldstrangers wrote: post #15

"dense, central area and not in a single family house that’s 4 miles from downtown." This is kind of funny to me considering I'd guess for the majority of America, 4 miles is remarkably close.

It's remarkably close by car, and though it was common for me when I lived in SF, I do not know many people who enjoy 2.25ish hour (round trip) walks. And doing $25 a day in ubers adds up fast too.

Those $25 Uber trips aren't necessary if you get a bike.

And you don't even need to be in shape anymore with e-bikes...

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