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Soviet Union sold titanium to US believing they needed it for pizza ovens

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Re: Soviet Union sold titanium to US believing they needed it for pizza ovens

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USSR should have supplied a weakened metal that would be only good for pizza ovens.

This is about obtaining the titanium atoms - i.e. raw ore, not alloy.

Even if it were about alloy, it wouldn't have matter that much what alloy Soviet provided, as long as it contained enough fraction of titanium in it that US could refine. US wouldn't have bought it if it didn't contain enough titanium, thus this comment is nonsensical.

Re: Soviet Union sold titanium to US believing they needed it for pizza ovens

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Considering a pizza oven doesn’t require titanium… that’s a strange cover story.

Forget wood fired pizza, titanium fired pizza has a way better flavor. I wonder if they really used the pizza alibi for all the titanium or if they diversified. Did they really put all their eggs in one basket?

They used multiple front companies and routed orders through third-world countries to buy the needed ore. More than likely, pizza ovens--or more likely, I'm guessing unspecified parts for pizza ovens--were just one of many cover stories used by those companies, and at least some of them were probably more believable than pizza ovens. You wouldn't use the same cover story for all the companies making the purchased.

Plus, titanium dioxide is used as a pigment, which would have reasonably explained a great deal of the rutile ore they purchased.

Re: Soviet Union sold titanium to US believing they needed it for pizza ovens

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What you could get was Georgian-style khachapuri which is an amazing cheesy butter bread thing. Now there’s a Dodo pizza in every city and pizza-sushi-etc places on every corner.

Khachapuri was certainly known but hardly could be ordered anywhere outside few large cities or Georgian SSR. Most people who knew about it have never tasted it (as is still the case with me).

Many people across the USSR made it at home. Recipes sharing was very popular.

Re: Soviet Union sold titanium to US believing they needed it for pizza ovens

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Oh absolutely. It's on my contingency TODO list.

There are a couple Georgian restaurants in the Bay Area, in Palo Alto and Los Altos.

The entire Georgian cuisine is just so good and relatively unknown in the West.

Re: Soviet Union sold titanium to US believing they needed it for pizza ovens

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Khachapuri was certainly known but hardly could be ordered anywhere outside few large cities or Georgian SSR. Most people who knew about it have never tasted it (as is still the case with me).

Many people across the USSR made it at home. Recipes sharing was very popular.

They certainly did! How authentic the outcomes were though I'm not qualified to say. Making exotic food without a reference point is challenging even for most experienced cooks.

Re: Soviet Union sold titanium to US believing they needed it for pizza ovens

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One has to wonder if or how this ever paid off. Once the sr71 showed up the USSR not only met the challenge with the Mig 25 foxbat a few years later, but outproduced the sr 71 to create strong coverage over most of Russia's airspace. Alone it couldn't catch the 71, but its r33 missiles and 600 kilowatt radar could

If you owned a 71 it was probably a pretty bitter realization a plane less than half the price could shoot it down regardless of how much clandestine titanium you imported. And after the U2 incident it was probably a pretty loathesome proposal to send it over Russian airspace at all. The mig 31 basically retired it.

Re: Soviet Union sold titanium to US believing they needed it for pizza ovens

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One has to wonder if or how this ever paid off. Once the sr71 showed up the USSR not only met the challenge with the Mig 25 foxbat a few years later, but outproduced the sr 71 to create strong coverage over most of Russia's airspace. Alone it couldn't catch the 71, but its r33 missiles and 600 kilowatt radar could If you owned a 71 it was probably a pretty bitter realization a plane less than half the price could sho…

Could a Foxbat shoot down an SR-71? The latter is like 0.6 Mach faster. The former was built out of steel, had an underpowered radar, couldn’t climb as high as a Blackbird and carried AA-6’s, which would have to lock and hit their target before the solid motors ran out [1]. To my knowledge the MiG-25’s claim to fame is shooting down an F-15 in the Gulf War.

In any case, it’s clearly been worth it. The B-2, B-21 and RQ-180, to say nothing of our (sc)ramjet research derives directly from the Blackbird.

[1] https://www.historynet.com/mig-25/

Re: Soviet Union sold titanium to US believing they needed it for pizza ovens

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are a couple Georgian restaurants in the Bay Area, in Palo Alto and Los Altos.

The entire Georgian cuisine is just so good and relatively unknown in the West.

I just learned about it through this thread and there are already several dishes I want to try. Khachapuri and Chashushuli in particular.

Re: Soviet Union sold titanium to US believing they needed it for pizza ovens

#40

The US "intelligence" apparatus created a particular cover story. There's no actual information as to what the USSR actually believed at the time. If they weren't particularly interesting in competing in aerial surveillance then it may have been seen as worth the money they got in return. They were already in the business of exporting it, it's not as if we got them to create a special market based on this cockamamie…

Saying "SR-71" is like a cheat code that completely inverts HN's skepticism to 100% credulity.
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