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Don’t Talk to Police (2012) [video]

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Re: Don’t Talk to Police (2012) [video]

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Post by hknmtt »

hartator wrote: post #26
LgWoodenBadger wrote: post #11

Civil rights are a core educational experience that is sorely and fundamentally lacking in the US educational system.

> lacking in the US educational system In most other countries, cops can ask for your ID and basic questions and detain you if you are not complying.

they most certainly cannot detain you without a cause. in the context of what you wrote, if you do not have your id, which is not mandatory to carry, they can detain you for 48 hours in order to establish your identity, but if they fail they have to let you go.

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Post by Spooky23 »

jimbob45 wrote: post #24
throwawaywu wrote: post #3

Also don't talk to federal agents. Lying to a federal agent is a felony, and often times they don't have enough evidence for the original crime, but by talking to you they get evidence of you lying

Is there no Miranda equivalent for federal agents?

There is, so you have the right to remain silent. The difference is that federal law makes it illegal to lie to a federal agent.

Lying to the police is dumb in general because it can be used against you. In the federal sense it’s dumber as it is a felony in of itself.

This is often cited as an abuse of power etc. I think there’s a lot of nuance.

Re: Don’t Talk to Police (2012) [video]

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Post by hknmtt »

remember, the police's sole purpose is to punish crime, not to prevent it. they don't care who they punish as long as they can add your number to their statistics. they are NOT your friends. that's just childhood brainwashing.

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Post by belter »

dang wrote: post #25

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Post by sgjohnson »

kmoser wrote: post #29
PaulHoule wrote: post #15

Note cops are trained to assume that cagey people could be guilty. (1) I wonder if this guy wants to make more work for himself and people in his profession, and (2) Black and White people might get very different results from this and other advice.

While you have the right to remain silent, I remember reading somewhere that you have to actively invoke that right (by stating something like "I invoke my 5th amendment right to remain silent") for your silence to be considered an invocation of that right, and not merely suspicious behavior, an implicit admission of guilt, or obstruction of justice. This is actually reprehensible, since invoking a right should mean…

> Another topic that everybody should know about is juror nullification.

Jurors who are aware of jury nullification are routinely dismissed.

Re: Don’t Talk to Police (2012) [video]

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Post by ajuc »

hartator wrote: post #26
LgWoodenBadger wrote: post #11

Civil rights are a core educational experience that is sorely and fundamentally lacking in the US educational system.

> lacking in the US educational system In most other countries, cops can ask for your ID and basic questions and detain you if you are not complying.

How law is actually used matters much more than these technicalities.

USA has one of the highest incarceration rates in the world, police brutality and police murdering people is a bigger concern than in most places where people have to show ID on cue.

This is one of these "liberty cargo cult" rights, like the right to bear arms or not having 1 unique identifier. It sounds nice in theory, but in practice it doesn't really help in the rare cases for which it was designed, and it makes things harder on the happy path.

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Post by einpoklum »

hknmtt wrote: post #33

remember, the police's sole purpose is to punish crime, not to prevent it. they don't care who they punish as long as they can add your number to their statistics. they are NOT your friends. that's just childhood brainwashing.

The police' main purpose is to protect the social order internally, by enforcing social relations (foremost being property and the authority of state institutions).

As for punishing crime - technically, the police is not supposed to decide whether crimes have been committed, nor to meet out out punishment for them. Really is a different thing, of course - but even then, the punishment is for police-undesirable behavior.

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