Debian 12 “Bookworm” • Hacker News Board

Re: Debian 12 “Bookworm”

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Post by lairv » Sat, Jun 10, 2023, 1:29 PM UTC

profwalkstr wrote: post #19

lairv wrote: post #15

Had to reinstall ubuntu 3 times already since the beginning of this year and thus switched to debian, hopefully I'll be able to settle in for a while

What happened?

- Tried 23.04 and found too many bugs (I guess this doesn't count)

- Some day 22.04 randomly started without GUI and I couldn't get it back either with ubuntu-desktop and startx

- I installed a Python package without a virtual environment and it somehow interfered with system Python, bootloader broke

It's possible that those errors were recoverable but I'm not a linux expert and I couldn't repair it after ~2h of stackoverflow

Re: Debian 12 “Bookworm”

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Post by yrro » Sat, Jun 10, 2023, 1:29 PM UTC

troad wrote: post #5

Congratulations to the Debian team! An important change appears to be the inclusion of non-free firmware by default in the official install image for the first time, as a result of this vote: https://www.debian.org/vote/2022/vote_003 Intriguing. I feel a little torn on this. One the one hand, I appreciate being able to install Debian from an official image onto a bothersome device. On the other, I can't help but feel…

Debian was never a purist distribution. If it was then there wouldn't have been a non-free section in the archive in the first place.

The sad truth is that the Linux distributions recommended by the FSF have approximately zero users.

Re: Debian 12 “Bookworm”

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Post by sylware » Sat, Jun 10, 2023, 1:30 PM UTC

Finally with init system alternatives or do they still shove systemd down our throat (if so I'll stick to devuan gnu/linux instead)?

Re: Debian 12 “Bookworm”

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Post by themoonisachees » Sat, Jun 10, 2023, 1:30 PM UTC

kramerger wrote: post #25

marcrosoft wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I switched away from Ubuntu when they started putting advertisements in the motd and login screens.

That didn't bother me much as it is "advertisement" about things related to my system. What I did not like was Firefox taking 20s to start.

Ubuntu has (used to at least) ads as apps in the app launcher, served by canonical and not at all related to the software you're using.

Re: Debian 12 “Bookworm”

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Post by yrro » Sat, Jun 10, 2023, 1:32 PM UTC

unpopularopp wrote: post #24

A bit offtopic... are there any distros besides PoPOS that comes with the proprietary Nvidia drivers preinstalled? I tried to use (live image) Debian on an RTX 4070 PC and nothing worked just black screen after GRUB. PoPOS works out of the box but honestly I'd prefer something more simple as Debian.

How does PoPOS accomplish this without violating the license of the kernel and the NVIDIA drivers?

Re: Debian 12 “Bookworm”

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Post by yrro » Sat, Jun 10, 2023, 1:35 PM UTC

28304283409234 wrote: post #23

kramerger wrote: post #14

Do you recommend switching from Ubuntu TLS to this one? Even to a heavy LXC and multipass user? What had kept me on Ubuntu so far has been their out of box laptop support (I.e. WiFi drivers).

Moved back to Debian because of lxc on Ubuntu requiring snaps. Turns out same problem on Debian. Snapd consumes 100% cpu. All. The. Time. Hoping Bookworm will solve it. Else I will be moving to Archlinux, which has lxc without snapd.

I don't think lxc on Debian has ever needed snapd?

https://packages.debian.org/bullseye/lxc

Re: Debian 12 “Bookworm”

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Post by bayindirh » Sat, Jun 10, 2023, 1:35 PM UTC

troad wrote: post #5

Congratulations to the Debian team! An important change appears to be the inclusion of non-free firmware by default in the official install image for the first time, as a result of this vote: https://www.debian.org/vote/2022/vote_003 Intriguing. I feel a little torn on this. One the one hand, I appreciate being able to install Debian from an official image onto a bothersome device. On the other, I can't help but feel…

I was involved in the discussion, and I'm also torn on that issue, but at least you can disable installation of non-free firmware and install Debian without any non-free software.

On the other hand, firmware is a convoluted issue. It was always present, but became increasingly visible over the years. While I'm a strong Free Software supporter, firmware is one of the hardest parts to convert, because of the IP it entails and trade secrets it embodies.

Re: Debian 12 “Bookworm”

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Post by whatwhaaaaat » Sat, Jun 10, 2023, 1:36 PM UTC

28304283409234 wrote: post #7

Never ceases to amaze me. There is all kinds of things wrong with Debian I am sure. But at the end of the day, what that community does is mindblowingly impressive. Much gratitude from a Slink-and-a-half user, back in the day.

All kinds of things wrong? It’s the base for half the Linux distros. What could you possibly mean?

Re: Debian 12 “Bookworm”

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Post by yrro » Sat, Jun 10, 2023, 1:36 PM UTC

sylware wrote: post #33

Finally with init system alternatives or do they still shove systemd down our throat (if so I'll stick to devuan gnu/linux instead)?

Finally? Debian has always shipped sysvinit and a bunch of other less-used init systems.

Re: Debian 12 “Bookworm”

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Post by drumhead » Sat, Jun 10, 2023, 1:40 PM UTC

I've was an inveterate distro hopper, but finally settled on Debian because of its stability. Its not the most user friendly but when you get it up and running "it just works". Debian really is fantastic achievement in software.