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‘The Force has left Lucasfilm’: how Disney can salvage its $4B investment

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Re: ‘The Force has left Lucasfilm’: how Disney can salvage its $4B investment

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Post by no_wizard »

TheFattestNinja wrote: post #15
daodedickinson wrote: post #11

How about a Grim Fandango movie? Or a Sam & Max or Monkey Island movie?

Very easy to do a shamble in the eyes of fans, very hard to attract other people who didnt play the games.

As a counterpoint, look at the massive cross cultural success of the Last Of Us on HBO. My SO never played the games, nor heard of them, yet loved the show quite dearly, saying multiple times to anyone who would listen that its one of the best TV shows of all time she's ever seen, and it takes alot to get that kind of praise from her.

Re: ‘The Force has left Lucasfilm’: how Disney can salvage its $4B investment

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Post by wnevets »

the_doctah wrote: post #22

Does anyone actually think the problem stops at LucasFilm? It's Disney . They're ruining Marvel properties as well. They care more about pushing progressive ideologies than making a return on investment. How many bad movies and TV shows are they going to push out and then blame bigots when their propaganda fails to entertain? And then they can't even practice what they preach, removing black actors from posters to pl…

> They're ruining Marvel properties as well. They care more about pushing progressive ideologies

you sound like someone has never read a Marvel comic book in their life.

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Post by ihsw »

cma wrote: post #28
the_doctah wrote: post #22

Does anyone actually think the problem stops at LucasFilm? It's Disney . They're ruining Marvel properties as well. They care more about pushing progressive ideologies than making a return on investment. How many bad movies and TV shows are they going to push out and then blame bigots when their propaganda fails to entertain? And then they can't even practice what they preach, removing black actors from posters to pl…

Didn't Stan Lee push for lots of progressive change, often through his work?

There is a difference between the progressive ideals of the previous generation and the current generation, if anything the current generation of progress ideology is more regressive than anything else.

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Post by gjsman-1000 »

bluedevil2k wrote: post #13

> At the heart of this mess is Lucasfilm president Kathleen Kennedy Took too long for the article to mention this. How can she possibly still have a job? It was her call to hire 3 different directors for the sequels (initially, I know Abrams came back) with no agreed upon direction of the plot . Complain about Rian Johnson’s (awful) episode 8, but ultimately it was Kennedy that gave him free reins to do what he wante…

The problem is that her resume of successful productions is strangely amazing for how she's run Star Wars. Gremlins; E.T.; Indiana Jones; Jurassic Park; Twister; Schindler's List; Back To The Future; etc. Presumably, it's partially because she hitched along as Producer for almost all Spielberg films and it did her career wonders by association.

So who is the replacement? She's produced on so many successful series that her Star Wars ineptitude is heartbreaking. You need to find someone with a better resume; and if you can't, what's your criteria for picking a replacement if nobody is qualified replace her on previous merits?

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Post by garbagecoder »

Timon3 wrote: post #18
anankaie wrote: post #9

> “The problem isn’t Kathleen Kennedy.” I am not entirely sure that matters. Pissed-off fans undoubtedly want to see metaphorical blood for what, to their eyes, was a forced, ideologically-driven tarnishing of their childhood memories. At the end of the day, the buck stops at the top. Chapman was already punted as a general scapegoat, but is it enough?

> a forced, ideologically-driven tarnishing of their childhood memories I'm sure there is a minority that believes this, but the majority know that there is no ideological drive, only a greed one. Alignment with current social issues happens based on calculations of profit, not based on sincere ideological commitment. Making good movies is hard, making movies following current social issues is easy. Both bring money,…

Definitely some people were put off by the ideological bent to it. I found it slightly grating (and I'm a center-left type), but I could have excused it if there was anything else to the films. The first one seemed promising if finished, but the rest were just sloppy.

In other words, it's not like an unwoke version of those films would have been good. Like, they resorted to bringing Palpatine back. That's not being fixed by changing Finn's race, Rey's gender, or that one chick's hair color or whatever else people are upset about who stole the Picard Maneuver.

Every popular movie gets leveled with some criticism about its politics. But just like most of my computing tools, I really care more about whether they work than whether the company posts a logo I agree or disagree with.

Here the second two especially were just trash movies that put the elements of the universe in a blender.

Re: ‘The Force has left Lucasfilm’: how Disney can salvage its $4B investment

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Post by JoeAltmaier »

leashless wrote: post #29

At the end of the day, nobody's left who understands what Star Wars is about . It's a ship adrift. Marvel works because of the endless nerd wrangling in the comics world imposing narrative discipline and critical standards. Plus the crappy stories don't make it to the big screen. Star Wars just doesn't have that: it's a cathedral and there's no bishop, vs. the much more bazaar and bizarre comic book processes. Needs…

Not sure SW was ever about anything but style and setting. A constant science fiction Gulliver's Travels with new people, civilizations, institutions cropping up rapid-fire.

Any attempt to rein that in would ossify, fossilize the franchise. It's not about some particular famous characters or planets. It's about constantly seeing new stuff.

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